REQ: Tristar CS-TMR op Schiphol

Numbercruncher · Post by **Numbercruncher** » 07 Dec 2006, 17:26

Hela!

Bij mijn weten hangt er 1 'nieuwe' motor onder, maar vond de IVW niet dat die motor 'OK' was... Ergo: daar mag niet mee gevlogen worden. Het verhaal (want meer dan dat is het niet) vermeldt verder niet of de tweede motor die er naast ligt wel 'OK' was...

Grtz,

Robert W

mulins · Post by **mulins** » 08 Dec 2006, 21:07

can you please translate the last posts to english...
I´m very interested with what is going on with cs-tmr!
I´ve heard that new engines will be put on at the 27th dec.

Hans · Post by **Hans** » 08 Dec 2006, 22:15

Hi,

mulins wrote:can you please translate the last posts to english...
I´m very interested with what is going on with cs-tmr!
I´ve heard that new engines will be put on at the 27th dec.

Sure

Numbercruncher wrote:As far as I know the aircraft has one new engine, but the IVW found the engine 'not OK'. This means they are not allowed to fly with it. As far as the story goes (as it is just a story, no official statement), does not say whether the second engine, which is lying next to the aircraft, is considered 'OK' by the IVW.

As a side note, the IVW is the Dutch Transport Inspection; http://www.ivw.nl/en/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hopes this helps.

Regards,

Hans

jfaltena · Post by **jfaltena** » 09 Dec 2006, 00:16

Hans wrote:As a side note, the IVW is the Dutch Transport Inspection; http://www.ivw.nl/en/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also known as the Dutch version of the British CAA (Civil Aviation Authority), I guess...

Grtz, John

Post by **Hurricane** » 09 Dec 2006, 15:10

Gents,

The fact is that over the last two weeks no work has been performed on the TMR! There where no people from BWIA ore an other organisation working to get the a/c back in airworthy condition and when I see the cockpit structure I seriously doubt her future.

Greetingz,

Hurricane.

tonjochems · Post by **tonjochems** » 09 Dec 2006, 15:15

gents.. problem is they need to do work inside a hangar... and currently no hangar space available at spl... therefore silence around the aircraft..

patrick@tediek.com · Post by **patrick@tediek.com** » 09 Dec 2006, 22:53

when I see the cockpit structure I seriously doubt her future.

Did they take the cockpit apart? What tasks are to be done on this bird? didn't start the Hadj season start last week november?

Post by **Hurricane** » 10 Dec 2006, 15:06

patrick@tediek.com wrote:
when I see the cockpit structure I seriously doubt her future.
Did they take the cockpit apart? What tasks are to be done on this bird? didn't start the Hadj season start last week november?

No, the cockpit is still on but there is quite some corrosion that needs to be removed / repaired. Tasks still open: refitt #3 engine, sheet metal repairs (all over the a/c), and severall electronic updates. And the Hadj indeed started last week but the TMR won't fly during this period.

Greetingz,

Hurricane.

patrick@tediek.com · Post by **patrick@tediek.com** » 19 Dec 2006, 22:31

Good evening all,

anything happening around the aircraft? Any updates appreciated.

cHabu · Post by **cHabu** » 21 Dec 2006, 21:22

patrick@tediek.com wrote:anything happening around the aircraft? Any updates appreciated.

Updates are posted when available, so no need to ask......

nausea · Post by **nausea** » 22 Dec 2006, 15:29

Report talks about a serious incident:

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?id=17763" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Article also says it might/will fly for PIA.

patrick@tediek.com · Post by **patrick@tediek.com** » 22 Dec 2006, 16:02

It's interesting enough to conclude the pilots aborted a take off above V1 ( I assume V1 is below 140 kts with this a/c). There must be something serious to abort a take off run and to much going on to continue the take off. Has the crew ever mentioned anything about his?

pjotrtje · Post by **pjotrtje** » 22 Dec 2006, 16:40

patrick@tediek.com wrote:It's interesting enough to conclude the pilots aborted a take off above V1 ( I assume V1 is below 140 kts with this a/c). There must be something serious to abort a take off run and to much going on to continue the take off. Has the crew ever mentioned anything about his?

Interesting assumption, but: V1 is 'speed beyond which it is unsafe to abort the take off run because one runs out of runway before the aircraft has come to a complete stop'. And I seem te remember the aircraft remained on the runway during the entire incident, didn't it? So basically, the actual V1 was never overrun. (Of course, they may have calculated a different V1, but I kinda doubt that.)

patrick@tediek.com · Post by **patrick@tediek.com** » 24 Dec 2006, 11:33

Does anybody know what the V1 speed of this tristar was on that day?

dick · Post by **dick** » 24 Dec 2006, 12:04

according to the report from IVW, the V1 was 152 kts. Captain stated that TO was aborted at "around" 140 kts.
For full IVW report :http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/publicatie ... CS-TMR.pdf

b rdgs - Dick
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