EHGR 26-10-07 ( a little bit late! )

jimmy van drunen · Post by **jimmy van drunen** » 01 Nov 2007, 14:02

heej,

I'ts a little bit late but her are my pics of EHGR 26-10-07:

the PC-7 did many T/Gs

DANGEROUS Apache!!!

behind the 301 hangar!!!

Fly-by tower

behind the Apache

Gr. jimmy

p.s. i now the pics are not so sharp!!!

Bright Star Aviation · Post by **Bright Star Aviation** » 01 Nov 2007, 14:58

Mmmwha,

Not the kind of pictures for this forum. To mutch air and a smal plane!

Groet,
Martijn

chris.c · Post by **chris.c** » 01 Nov 2007, 15:14

Hey I edit one Photo with photoshop for you, but you have some good pics

Alright I had fix the problem, I delete the photo in photobucket because I thought that the Photo not disappeard of this forum, but I had uploading him again.

and here is your photo of the L-39

jimmy van drunen · Post by **jimmy van drunen** » 01 Nov 2007, 16:03

, the photo doesnt work

can you post a link

of the photo

gr. jimmy

p.s. can you please this photo photoshoppen??? i dont have photoshop

http://www.milspotters.nl/forum/userpix ... 0092_1.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Redskin301 · Post by **Redskin301** » 01 Nov 2007, 19:24

Bright Star Aviation wrote:Mmmwha,

Not the kind of pictures for this forum. To mutch air and a smal plane!

Groet,
Martijn

So what, i also started like this many years ago. When you want to learn something, you have to start at the bottom of the pyramid

ifor1996 · Post by **ifor1996** » 01 Nov 2007, 20:30

So what, i also started like this many years ago. When you want to learn something, you have to start at the bottom of the pyramid

Right on

Keep on going Jimmy

sfeyenoord1 · Post by **sfeyenoord1** » 01 Nov 2007, 20:42

Btw jimmy, youre picture has some trouble getting it sharp

O ya personally i would prefer just a few pictures instead of all of them

Nice shots though, and keep going on! photography is so big, aviation as well, so theres still much to learn then!

EHAM · Post by **EHAM** » 01 Nov 2007, 21:40

I can hardly see a plane on your first picture

.

Marcel Mutsaers · Post by **Marcel Mutsaers** » 01 Nov 2007, 22:32

Taken into account the dark weather circumstances, the subject (an even darker Apache) and the photogear used (not all people do have first class hi-pro cams and lenses...), this photo is not bad at all!

I do like the composition and this is what I have made from it in Photoshop:

And to Jimmy, if you stay this enthousiastic about aircraft spotting and your photogear will improve in the future the quality of your pics will rise. I am sure about that. Personally I started photographing with an old Chinon CP5 and only a simple 50mm Pentax lens also at the Langebergseweg in the eighties

Good luck!
Marcel Mutsaers

Javindo50 · Post by **Javindo50** » 02 Nov 2007, 00:02

ifor1996 wrote:
So what, i also started like this many years ago. When you want to learn something, you have to start at the bottom of the pyramid
Right on Keep on going Jimmy

I fully agree

Thermal · Post by **Thermal** » 02 Nov 2007, 14:48

Unfortunate to see that some people on this board can not remember the times when they began making aviation pics and have to downgrade pics made by a young spotter who doens´t have high tech gear.

When you want to learn something, you have to start at the bottom of the pyramid

Indeed, give they guy a brake. Going to Gilze (on his bike?) in this sh#tty weather to make pictures?? Well in that case, big thumbs up Jimmy and keep on posting.

jimmy van drunen · Post by **jimmy van drunen** » 02 Nov 2007, 15:07

thank you people!!!!

and Chris and Marcal thank you for the photoshop pics i love them!!!

Keep on going boys!!!

gr. jimmy

SpotterNL · Post by **SpotterNL** » 02 Nov 2007, 16:42

While I agree that everyone had to start some day I think being a bit more critical at your own work and that of others doesn't hurt anyone. While I will take the photo's from this thread as an example I would like to make clear that my statements are not personal. Jimmy, please do not see any personal attack in my statements as none is meant.

I feel that this board isn't critical enough at the photo's posted and is too negative to those who don't like the pictures posted. A lot of the shots posted here are great in quality, newsvalue etc (see the recent Japan thread, those photos make me want to see more, and even go there myself). However, there is a lot of 'rubbish' posted as well, including this thread. If the photographer likes them, by all means please keep on doing what you love to do. The joy in the hobby is the most important of all. On the other hand, I regard these photo's as something for the personal collection. They are unsharp, dark and some have more sky than aircraft.

Of course the gear used plays a part in your shots, but the photographer is the most important of all. That is not only having an eye for composition, but also understanding and mastering your equipment. It's easy to say 'he doesn't have the expensive equipment so give him a break' (a brake is a 'rem' in dutch

), however knowing the limitations of you and your equipment is essential. The best way to learn your equipment is by doing, and getting feedback. The learning curve is the lowest if you start under easy conditions, sun in the back with aircraft on the ground. The photo's as posted here are probably one of the hardest, moving aircraft under bad weather conditions. You really have to know what you are doing to get some good results under these conditions. I know I would struggle, and I would like to think I know pretty well what I'm doing. Even for me there is still a lot to learn.

The main question here probably is, 'What are the objectives of you and of this messageboard'? Do we want to keep it at the level displayed in this thread (again, no personal attack meant), or do we want to take it to a higher level by giving critique, and taking it? I see threads on this board with shots that I regard as mediocre at best, though I see loads of replies with 'nice shots', 'great shots' and 'beautiful'. While I respect peoples opinions, comments like those won't get your shots any better. And if someone gives (reasonable) critique, such as in this thread, people start telling that person off. I (amongst others) don't care what people say about me, and I will say what I have to (as indicated by this post) a lot of others will be put off by these comments. And what does that achieve? We get an environment where we only post 'nice pics', and no-one gets any better at their hobby.

To illustrate my point, I recently posted this thread at Fencecheck, asking for advice, because I knew I wouldn't get that advice here. I think this is a shame that we can't help each other to a next level of photography, and 'attack' others that do. The best way to learn is to get advice from people that know their stuff. The other way of learning is being critical at your own shots, and deciding what the interest is to the rest of the viewers. There is some big potential in some photographers here, let's get it out!

I know that some people will feel that they are personally attacked by this post, but keep in mind 'wie de schoen past trekt hem aan'. Decide for yourself, do you want to keep taking pictures (kiekjes), or do you want to go to a higher level and start making photos (foto's)? It's up to you!

Jurgen

Stephan Lodewijks · Post by **Stephan Lodewijks** » 02 Nov 2007, 17:31

To SpotterNL,

If I understand Scramble's published forum-descriptions correctly I think you mistake this Photo-forum for the Photography-forum on this same website. If you 're looking for tips, tricks and opinions about photos or techniques used, the latter forum, apparently, is the place to be. This Photo-forum is meant for sharing photos, nothing more, nothing less. So, anyone is free to show his work, as long as it is about aircraft.

Best regards,

Stephan

SpotterNL · Post by **SpotterNL** » 02 Nov 2007, 17:53

Stephan Lodewijks wrote:To SpotterNL,

If I understand Scramble's published forum-descriptions correctly I think you mistake this Photo-forum for the Photography-forum on this same website. If you 're looking for tips, tricks and opinions about photos or techniques used, the latter forum, apparently, is the place to be. This Photo-forum is meant for sharing photos, nothing more, nothing less. So, anyone is free to show his work, as long as it is about aircraft.

Best regards,

Stephan

Stephan

You are correct, but you missed my point. Learning comes from getting critique, and using that. That whole environment is missing here. What's wrong with some self critique and not posting everything you have shot?

Jurgen