The Dutch airliner delivery thread

a1rliners_2005 · Post by **a1rliners_2005** » 22 Jan 2008, 18:25

name: PH-AOL Piccadilly Circus- London
source: anonimous

richarduk · Post by **richarduk** » 25 Jan 2008, 10:06

cHabu wrote:.
Boeing 777-300ER:

PH-BVA - 13 Feb 2008 (35671)
PH-BVB - oo Mar 2008 (36145); due week 14 (31mar-5apr)
PH-BVC - oo Mar 2009 (37582)
PH-BVD - oo Jun 2009 (35979)
PH-BVF - oo Mar 2010 (35947)
PH-BVG - oo Nov 2011 (38867)

PH-... - option
PH-... - option

Just twigged that there is no PH-BVE - any particular reason that anyone knows? Or do they plan to slip a leased 773 in that slot?

Cheers,
Richard

Burry · Post by **Burry** » 25 Jan 2008, 10:15

Probably because PH-BVE already was an plane.
PH-BVE Cessna 172R 172-80188 St. Vliegmaterieel Rotterdam 12nov07 Out of register Verongelukt 19-10-2007 Lelystad (mid air collision with PH-JEJ, crashed and destroyed by fire). (From the Scramble PH- database)

cHabu · Post by **cHabu** » 25 Jan 2008, 18:49

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n5205e00421 · Post by **n5205e00421** » 27 Jan 2008, 12:25

This months "Op de Bok" (monthly publication of the VNV, the dutch airline pilots association) includes an interview with Martinair's management team:

"Ons streven is dat de Airbus A330-200 in het laatste kwartaal zijn entree gaat doen."

It says they intend to operate the A330-200 with 325 seats before the end of the year, 2 aircraft in Q4 2008, 2 in Q1 2009, and 3 in Q2 2009.

L.

cHabu · Post by **cHabu** » 27 Jan 2008, 12:30

n5205e00421 wrote:This months "Op de Bok" (monthly publication of the VNV, the dutch airline pilots association) includes an interview with Martinair's management team:

"Ons streven is dat de Airbus A330-200 in het laatste kwartaal zijn entree gaat doen."

It says they intend to operate the A330-200 with 325 seats before the end of the year, 2 aircraft in Q4 2008, 2 in Q1 2009, and 3 in Q2 2009.

Correct, their intention is to operate a total of 10 aircraft.

All depends on how the future is going to be for the company.
Should be decided in April 2008.

nuckleuz · Post by **nuckleuz** » 27 Jan 2008, 22:46

cHabu wrote:
n5205e00421 wrote:This months "Op de Bok" (monthly publication of the VNV, the dutch airline pilots association) includes an interview with Martinair's management team:

"Ons streven is dat de Airbus A330-200 in het laatste kwartaal zijn entree gaat doen."

It says they intend to operate the A330-200 with 325 seats before the end of the year, 2 aircraft in Q4 2008, 2 in Q1 2009, and 3 in Q2 2009.
Correct, their intention is to operate a total of 10 aircraft.

All depends on how the future is going to be for the company.
Should be decided in April 2008.

I assume these aircraft are bought from another company?

cHabu · Post by **cHabu** » 28 Jan 2008, 18:36

nuckleuz wrote:
cHabu wrote:
n5205e00421 wrote:This months "Op de Bok" (monthly publication of the VNV, the dutch airline pilots association) includes an interview with Martinair's management team:

"Ons streven is dat de Airbus A330-200 in het laatste kwartaal zijn entree gaat doen."

It says they intend to operate the A330-200 with 325 seats before the end of the year, 2 aircraft in Q4 2008, 2 in Q1 2009, and 3 in Q2 2009.
Correct, their intention is to operate a total of 10 aircraft.

All depends on how the future is going to be for the company.
Should be decided in April 2008.
I assume these aircraft are bought from another company?

Don't quite understand you question, but AFAIK all aircraft are planned to be sourced from AFR but that might depend on if AFR/KLM is able to take-over MPH.

nuckleuz · Post by **nuckleuz** » 28 Jan 2008, 19:38

cHabu wrote:
nuckleuz wrote:
cHabu wrote: Correct, their intention is to operate a total of 10 aircraft.

All depends on how the future is going to be for the company.
Should be decided in April 2008.
I assume these aircraft are bought from another company?
Don't quite understand you question, but AFAIK all aircraft are planned to be sourced from AFR but that might depend on if AFR/KLM is able to take-over MPH.

I meant if Martinair is going to buy its aircraft from another airliner in stead of directly from Airbus.

cHabu · Post by **cHabu** » 29 Jan 2008, 00:43

nuckleuz wrote:I meant if Martinair is going to buy its aircraft from another airliner in stead of directly from Airbus.

If i'm correct it has been mentioned several times, that these aircraft are planned to be sourced from Air France.

E-R-I-C · Post by **E-R-I-C** » 29 Jan 2008, 09:15

http://blog.seattle-deliveries.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; here you can see the first pictures of the PH-BXY. The name of the plane is "Fuut"

flying_kiwi · Post by **flying_kiwi** » 29 Jan 2008, 09:36

cHabu wrote:
nuckleuz wrote:I meant if Martinair is going to buy its aircraft from another airliner in stead of directly from Airbus.
If i'm correct it has been mentioned several times, that these aircraft are planned to be sourced from Air France.

Seems odd, as I'm pretty sure the Air France fleet is nearly fully utilised, and if AFR are "selling" their A332s to MPH, they will need replacement aircraft themselves.
I think the best solution would be to deal with leasing companies and receive aircraft from that source.
The real question is whether they'll have PW or GE motors.

Regards,
Yorden

bigfoot · Post by **bigfoot** » 29 Jan 2008, 09:45

flying_kiwi wrote:
cHabu wrote:
nuckleuz wrote:I meant if Martinair is going to buy its aircraft from another airliner in stead of directly from Airbus.
If i'm correct it has been mentioned several times, that these aircraft are planned to be sourced from Air France.
Seems odd, as I'm pretty sure the Air France fleet is nearly fully utilised, and if AFR are "selling" their A332s to MPH, they will need replacement aircraft themselves.
I think the best solution would be to deal with leasing companies and receive aircraft from that source.
The real question is whether they'll have PW or GE motors.

Regards,
Yorden

They use on the 767 and MD11 PW's. The 747's have GE. But i think in the view of being completly taken over by AF/KLM, they will have the same eninges as the AF/KLm fleet. So probalby GE's.

ErwinS · Post by **ErwinS** » 29 Jan 2008, 10:19

bigfoot wrote:
flying_kiwi wrote:
cHabu wrote: If i'm correct it has been mentioned several times, that these aircraft are planned to be sourced from Air France.
Seems odd, as I'm pretty sure the Air France fleet is nearly fully utilised, and if AFR are "selling" their A332s to MPH, they will need replacement aircraft themselves.
I think the best solution would be to deal with leasing companies and receive aircraft from that source.
The real question is whether they'll have PW or GE motors.

Regards,
Yorden
They use on the 767 and MD11 PW's. The 747's have GE. But i think in the view of being completly taken over by AF/KLM, they will have the same eninges as the AF/KLm fleet. So probalby GE's.

The 744's of MP fly with PW PW4056 engines. So all PW engines in the fleet except MCN wich has GE CF6 engines.

richarduk · Post by **richarduk** » 29 Jan 2008, 10:51

The idea that they would come from AF is also strange when you consider that the remaining 777s (300s and freighters) they have on order, together with the 380s, are to replace the 747s in their fleet. Also, AF have 16 330s, so that would leave 6 unaccounted for. Against that however 330s are pretty popular at the moment, so unless MP have some reserved already somewhere they could face quite a challenge to assemble a fleet any time soon (ie before 2009 at the earliest).

Interestingly a Dutch-based company ordered 10 330-200s in May 2007 - Aercap, the leasing firm. Coincidence? I haven't managed to find the planned delivery schedule for them, so can't draw any firm conclusions.

The interview in the VNV magazine seems pretty clear, so they must have got something sorted out!

Cheers,
Richard