F-4 Phantom for Soesterberg

[astreair]

Good day!

Our organization has disassembled an F-4 Phantom for the NLAF Museum at Soesterberg recently. The Phantom is on its way from Tucson (AMARG at Davis-Monthan AFB) even as we speak.
I would like to ask that when it arrives at the museum, that one of the members take a few fictures of it for our files.
This would be very much appreciated.

On another note, can the members assist us in locating any museums in Europe that have Cold War displays.
A museum that we work with has one of the last Pembroke C(PR)1 aircraft that flew in support of OPERATION HALLMARK.
The museum would like to trade this and another Pembroke (ex-Belgian) and a container of parts for something interesting.

Please contact me through the SCRAMBLE website.

Kindest regards,
astreair

[mart]

How about Krakow aviation museum?
www.muzeumlotnictwa.pl/indexen.php

At Łodz there is an old museum which is closed now.
I do not have a website to them because I think it does not exist, however it is located at Lublinek Airport
A log of what can be found here looks like this:
I ł-14 POL 0916 /
Ił-28 POL 47 / 2402010
Lim-2 POL 109 / 1B-00109
Lim-2 POL 307 / 1B-00307
Lim-2 POL 311 / 1B-00311
Lim-2 POL 1612 / 1B-01612
Lim-2 POL 512 / 1B-00512
SBLim-2 POL 7039 / 1A-07039
SBLim-2 POL 905 / 1A-09005
SBLim-2 POL 6008 / 1A-06008
SBLim-2 POL 193 / 142693
SBLim-2 POL 776/ 712276
MiG-17PF POL 305 / Last info 18.09.2004
Lim-5 POL 1730 / 1C-1730
Lim-5 POL 408 / 1C-0408 Last info 18.09.2004
Lim-5 POL 1913 /
Lim-6bis POL 427 / 1J-0427 Last info 22.04.2006
Lim-6bis POL 637 / 1J-0637 Last info 22.04.2006
Lim-6bis POL 608 / 1J-0608
MiG-21F-13 POL 2015 / 742015
MiG-21PF POL 1702 / 761702
MiG-21PF POL 1809 / 761809
MiG-21PFM POL 06 / 94ML06
MiG-21PFM POL 09 / 94ML09
MiG-21PFM POL 10 / 94ML10
Mi-6A POL 670 / 10670
Mi-2 POL SP-TVA /
TS-11 Iskra POL 103 / 1H-0103
Su-7BKL POL 12 / 6012
Su-7BKL POL 22 / 6022
Su-7U POL 702 / 3702
Su-20 POL 6255 / 76305
Tu-134A POL SP-LHE /

I visited here, especially for the Mi-6 of course, planes are in pretty good condition except for the french mirage

[mart]

to continue my previous post, these are museum in Poland
Like I said the museum at Łodz is closed, I do not know who the owner is of the aircraft but the area which used to be the museum is now used by the local areoclub. Contacting them or else authorities of Lublinek airport will be able to tell you who the owner is if any specific owner exists even. (This is unsure)
A few pictures of aircraft I found there












Can you imagine, and Mi6 in sovjet colours at the NLAF museum?? Hehe, maybe that would be to much, but I think some of these mig's or Su's would fit very good aswell

I hope this helps you
Kind regards
Martin

[Wijgert IJlst]

Good day!

Our organization has disassembled an F-4 Phantom for the NLAF Museum at Soesterberg recently. The Phantom is on its way from Tucson (AMARG at Davis-Monthan AFB) even as we speak.

Have you got any input on travelling route, way of transportation and expected arrival dates yet?

[astreair]

The fuselage and wings left Tucson this Monday (June 20) on two trucks on their way to the Houston docks. A 40 foot container with the smaller parts will leave early next week.
I don't have ship details yet.
As soon as I have sailing details and arrival dates, I will pass that information along.
astreair

[DMWR]

Hello Astreair,

Can you send me a privat message !!.

Thanks,

Pieter

[Sjoerd]

I received some nice updates and piccies from a relation who organised this transport. I can add some shipping details for the Phantom

Serial: 64-0275/GA
It is loaded onto the Rickmers Seoul V.304 to Antwerp. This one has ETA July 18th.

Images will follow later on!

[Sjoerd]

As promissed! Here are some pics which I received through my contact, who allowed me to post them here. Although this is not the right place for images, I hope the mods allow them here since I'm not allowed to post images (not shot by myself) in the designated photo corner.

Despite the quality, I still hope you like them!

A few more inches to go...






Almost ready to head for Houston


Getting familiar with the European weather



Almost ready to head for Houston

Btw, this particular Phantom actually never flew for the 32nd TFS according to the AF staff.

[doubleugly]

good evening to you all,
A real nice story about this aircraft is published in Full-Stop magazine of the Aviation Group leeuwarden.
It seems to be a Mig killerL 12.09.1972 a Mig21 with AIM9E and 20mm M61A1, flying with 35TFS from Korat ,Thailand, but a/c from 34 TFS, callsign finch01.

[Wijgert IJlst]

Any news on the delivery of the Cessna T-37 Tweety for the MLM in Soesterberg?

[VinFlyer]

Any news on the delivery of the Cessna T-37 Tweety for the MLM in Soesterberg?

It's sitting in two containers outside Hangar 3 at Soesterberg. Will be a while before they have the time to assemble it.

[Wijgert IJlst]

Oh, really... did not know it was there already! That's good news...

[Wijgert IJlst]

After Google-ing about the F-4E and T-37 for MLM subjects, I also found out that the MLM has managed to get hold on to CT-114 Tutor, former CAF. Nice news I would say. But what I do not understand is, what this bird has to do with the Dutch military aviation history! Can any one please explain? Did the KLu/NATO pilot training/education use CAF CT-114 during a particulair periode perhaps? I did not know that actually... but it would make it more logical.

[Stratofreighter]

In the early seventies KLu student pilots were sent to Canada for flying training.

Don't have the relevant books within reach at the moment, but if I recall correctly the Beechcraft CT-134 Musketeer was used at first for primary training, succesful students progressing on to the CT-114 Tutor.

The KLu stopped sending pilots to Canada because of the high wash-out rate. If my memory serves me right ALL tests, whether theoritical or "practice", had to passed in a single go as "satisfactorily". Or only ONE mistake was allowed, no more.

This meant that possible future very succesful fighter jockeys could be thrown off the course even if they had a bad day making some minor mistakes.

The Americans were/are more tolerant to this back then.

[Nilson]

They did and as far as i can recall also with another CAF type, but to long ago!

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