Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
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Re: Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
Kessel
"Br.1150 stored rear end only" these parts come from the 61+09
"Mi-2 stored" is the ex NVA 501 c/n 562819043
"FX 58 F-104G stored" the tail is from the FX58, the fuselage is the FX69
"K-4063 NF-5A stored" if you mean the fuselage than it's the K-3043, from the K-3063 only the rear fuselage section
"there is also a fuselage of something like an Antonov-24 ???" maybe the Fokker 50 fuselage that was at the Baarlo location ??
Baarlo
"The Alpha-Jet 4052 is on a trailer ready to depart" last time I visited the location the 4065 was on the trailer, this one is going to Greece
"Br.1150 stored rear end only" these parts come from the 61+09
"Mi-2 stored" is the ex NVA 501 c/n 562819043
"FX 58 F-104G stored" the tail is from the FX58, the fuselage is the FX69
"K-4063 NF-5A stored" if you mean the fuselage than it's the K-3043, from the K-3063 only the rear fuselage section
"there is also a fuselage of something like an Antonov-24 ???" maybe the Fokker 50 fuselage that was at the Baarlo location ??
Baarlo
"The Alpha-Jet 4052 is on a trailer ready to depart" last time I visited the location the 4065 was on the trailer, this one is going to Greece
Re: Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
K-4063, Its a number of a dual.DMWR wrote:Kessel
"Br.1150 stored rear end only" these parts come from the 61+09
"Mi-2 stored" is the ex NVA 501 c/n 562819043
"FX 58 F-104G stored" the tail is from the FX58, the fuselage is the FX69
"K-4063 NF-5A stored" if you mean the fuselage than it's the K-3043, from the K-3063 only the rear fuselage section
"there is also a fuselage of something like an Antonov-24 ???" maybe the Fokker 50 fuselage that was at the Baarlo location ??
Baarlo
"The Alpha-Jet 4052 is on a trailer ready to depart" last time I visited the location the 4065 was on the trailer, this one is going to Greece
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Re: Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
No its not, the K-4030 was the last one in its series.Jorg wrote:K-4063, Its a number of a dual.
My pictures at Airfighters.com : http://www.airfighters.com/photosearch.php?phgid=2672
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Re: Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
@ DMWR Jorg and CBR...
The NF-5 is a type error it schould be K-3063, but the one I have seen is more likely the K-3043
for the fuselage; see the picture
Baarlo;
I checked my notes the Alpha Jet on the trail was the 4052, there was already a truck attached to it so it looked like it was ready to go
the 4065 was behind the Su-22 2513.
Leonard
The NF-5 is a type error it schould be K-3063, but the one I have seen is more likely the K-3043
for the fuselage; see the picture
Baarlo;
I checked my notes the Alpha Jet on the trail was the 4052, there was already a truck attached to it so it looked like it was ready to go
the 4065 was behind the Su-22 2513.
Leonard
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Re: Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
The fuselage on the photo is that of a Fokker 50, this one was at the Baarlo location some time ago.
Re: Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
Hello Leonard,
Are you sure about F-104G 23+61, could this be 23+01. Did you saw it complete/ fuselage only?
Greetings Jasper
Are you sure about F-104G 23+61, could this be 23+01. Did you saw it complete/ fuselage only?
Greetings Jasper
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Re: Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
Tailswop...DMWR wrote:Kessel
"FX 58 F-104G stored" the tail is from the FX58, the fuselage is the FX69
FX69-B 23-04-2009 by jvdwal2008, on Flickr
2009-04-23 FX 69 Weeze by jvdwal2008, on Flickr
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Re: Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
Sorry to tell you all but the FX69 with tail of FX70 is still with its owner in Belgium. I had even contact this morning about the status of his restauration of the aircraft.
So it IS NOT at Kessel. I assume the report has mis-read an aircraft body?
I am glad it is still being worked on and not in the hands of PS Aero.
Regards
Harry
So it IS NOT at Kessel. I assume the report has mis-read an aircraft body?
I am glad it is still being worked on and not in the hands of PS Aero.
Regards
Harry
DMWR wrote:Kessel
"Br.1150 stored rear end only" these parts come from the 61+09
"Mi-2 stored" is the ex NVA 501 c/n 562819043
"FX 58 F-104G stored" the tail is from the FX58, the fuselage is the FX69
"K-4063 NF-5A stored" if you mean the fuselage than it's the K-3043, from the K-3063 only the rear fuselage section
"there is also a fuselage of something like an Antonov-24 ???" maybe the Fokker 50 fuselage that was at the Baarlo location ??
Baarlo
"The Alpha-Jet 4052 is on a trailer ready to depart" last time I visited the location the 4065 was on the trailer, this one is going to Greece
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Re: Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
Mr Piet Smets broke his elbow in 5 places he was painting i think the Alpha Jet on a lifting ramp and fell down, maybe this wil not heal correctly and he talked about stopping with the plane collection.
So maybe we can ask (send him an E-mail) him to please continu with his work and wish him well.
I hope he will continu his work.
So maybe we can ask (send him an E-mail) him to please continu with his work and wish him well.
I hope he will continu his work.
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Re: Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
Hi all,
This morning we went to Baarlo for a very nice guided tour by Piet Smedts. He is indeed recovering from severe injuries due to the broken arm and shoulder but as far as I could make up from his nice stories, he is not thinking about quiting with the collection. He has sold 12 airplanes to Greece (Athens museum) and the planes will leave as soon as money comes in... With the crisis I wonder how long that will take... He also told us that he is working on getting a Mig-29 for his collection, but so far no deal has been made.
The following aircraft were seen at Baarlo:
outside:
TORNADO MRCA 98+06 PRESERVED EX GAF
MIG-21M 1914 PRESERVED EX POLISH AF
JAGUAR GR3A XX974/FE PRESERVED EX RAF
SU-22M-4 25 13/641 STORED EX GAF, ready for transport to Greece
ALPHA JET A 40+65 STORED EX GAF, ready for transport to Greece
BR1150 61+11 PRESERVED EX GN
LIGHTNING F2A XN784 PRESERVED EX RAF
SE210 CARAVALLE F-BHRA PRESERVED CIVIL
MI-8T 94+21/910 PRESERVED EX GAF
MI-2 94+50 PRESERVED EX GAF
C-160D 50+98 PRESERVED EX GAF
ALPHA JET A 40+23 PRESERVED EX GAF
F-27 PH-FCX PRESERVED CIVIL
GF-4C 64-0745 PRESERVED EX USAF
SU-22UM-3K 98+16 PRESERVED EX GAF
SU-22M-4 25 41 PRESERVED EX GAF
G-93R/3 99+05 PRESERVED EX GAF
F-84F FU-10 PRESERVED EX BAF
MI-24D 0219 PRESERVED EX CZECH AF
MIG-23MF 593 PRESERVED NO MARKINGS, EX NVA
F-104G D-8212 PRESERVED FAKE SERIAL, RNLAF C/S, REALLY EX GAF 24+63
Inside:
MIRAGE 3RS R-2107 PRESERVED EX SWISS AF
MIG-23ML 2422 STORED EX CZECH AF
F-104G 21+71 PRESERVED EX GAF
MIG-21US 24 11 PRESERVED EX GAF
GLIDER D-6201 STORED CIVIL
GLIDER D-1533 PRESERVED CIVIL
F-104G KG 101 PRESERVED EX GAF
F-104G 26+72 PRESERVED EX GAF
T-33A 16520/HC PRESERVED EX FAF
GLIDER PH-491 PRESERVED CIVIL
After the visit we had a quick look ourselves at the storage compound at Kessel, results:
NF-5A K-3043 STORED IN PARTS
F-104G FX58 STORED EX BAF
F-104G 21+60 STORED EX GAF
F-104G STORED EX GAF
F-104G STORED EX GAF, FUSELAGE ONLY
ALPHA JET A 40+95 STORED EX GAF
BR1151 61+09 STORED EX GN, REAR FUSELAGE ONLY
MIG-21M 2007 STORED EX POLISH AF
MIG-21R 1909 STORED EX POLISH AF
MIG-21M 1809 STORED EX POLISH AF
MIG-21MF 8909 STORED EX POLISH AF
MIG-21M 2008 STORED EX POLISH AF
MI-2 STORED NO MKS, EX NVA 501
F-84F P-263 STORED EX RNLAF
JAGUAR XZ357 STORED EX RAF
BN2A-21 B05/LE STORED EX BAF
MIG-23UB "23" STORED REALLY EX GAF 20+56
L-410 OK-ADQ STORED CIVIL
underlined serials were not read off but taken from former logs, any help on the two missing F-104 serials is appreciated.
Kind regards,
Hilco Schigt
Detlev Schigt
This morning we went to Baarlo for a very nice guided tour by Piet Smedts. He is indeed recovering from severe injuries due to the broken arm and shoulder but as far as I could make up from his nice stories, he is not thinking about quiting with the collection. He has sold 12 airplanes to Greece (Athens museum) and the planes will leave as soon as money comes in... With the crisis I wonder how long that will take... He also told us that he is working on getting a Mig-29 for his collection, but so far no deal has been made.
The following aircraft were seen at Baarlo:
outside:
TORNADO MRCA 98+06 PRESERVED EX GAF
MIG-21M 1914 PRESERVED EX POLISH AF
JAGUAR GR3A XX974/FE PRESERVED EX RAF
SU-22M-4 25 13/641 STORED EX GAF, ready for transport to Greece
ALPHA JET A 40+65 STORED EX GAF, ready for transport to Greece
BR1150 61+11 PRESERVED EX GN
LIGHTNING F2A XN784 PRESERVED EX RAF
SE210 CARAVALLE F-BHRA PRESERVED CIVIL
MI-8T 94+21/910 PRESERVED EX GAF
MI-2 94+50 PRESERVED EX GAF
C-160D 50+98 PRESERVED EX GAF
ALPHA JET A 40+23 PRESERVED EX GAF
F-27 PH-FCX PRESERVED CIVIL
GF-4C 64-0745 PRESERVED EX USAF
SU-22UM-3K 98+16 PRESERVED EX GAF
SU-22M-4 25 41 PRESERVED EX GAF
G-93R/3 99+05 PRESERVED EX GAF
F-84F FU-10 PRESERVED EX BAF
MI-24D 0219 PRESERVED EX CZECH AF
MIG-23MF 593 PRESERVED NO MARKINGS, EX NVA
F-104G D-8212 PRESERVED FAKE SERIAL, RNLAF C/S, REALLY EX GAF 24+63
Inside:
MIRAGE 3RS R-2107 PRESERVED EX SWISS AF
MIG-23ML 2422 STORED EX CZECH AF
F-104G 21+71 PRESERVED EX GAF
MIG-21US 24 11 PRESERVED EX GAF
GLIDER D-6201 STORED CIVIL
GLIDER D-1533 PRESERVED CIVIL
F-104G KG 101 PRESERVED EX GAF
F-104G 26+72 PRESERVED EX GAF
T-33A 16520/HC PRESERVED EX FAF
GLIDER PH-491 PRESERVED CIVIL
After the visit we had a quick look ourselves at the storage compound at Kessel, results:
NF-5A K-3043 STORED IN PARTS
F-104G FX58 STORED EX BAF
F-104G 21+60 STORED EX GAF
F-104G STORED EX GAF
F-104G STORED EX GAF, FUSELAGE ONLY
ALPHA JET A 40+95 STORED EX GAF
BR1151 61+09 STORED EX GN, REAR FUSELAGE ONLY
MIG-21M 2007 STORED EX POLISH AF
MIG-21R 1909 STORED EX POLISH AF
MIG-21M 1809 STORED EX POLISH AF
MIG-21MF 8909 STORED EX POLISH AF
MIG-21M 2008 STORED EX POLISH AF
MI-2 STORED NO MKS, EX NVA 501
F-84F P-263 STORED EX RNLAF
JAGUAR XZ357 STORED EX RAF
BN2A-21 B05/LE STORED EX BAF
MIG-23UB "23" STORED REALLY EX GAF 20+56
L-410 OK-ADQ STORED CIVIL
underlined serials were not read off but taken from former logs, any help on the two missing F-104 serials is appreciated.
Kind regards,
Hilco Schigt
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Re: Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
Hello all,
Seen from outside on 13-12-2012 at Baarlo and Kessel;
BAARLO 13-12-2012
98+06 Tornado MCRA preserved ex Luftwaffe
1914 MiG-21M preserved ex Polish Air Force
25 13 SU-22M-4 stored ex Luftwaffe ready for transport to Greece ??
40+65 Alpha Jet A stored ex Luftwaffe ready for transport to Greece ??
21+71 F-104G preserved ex Luftwaffe ready for transport to Greece ??
61+11 Br.1150 stored ex Marine special c/s
XN784 Lightning F2A preserved ex Royal Air Force
F-BHRA SE.210 Caravalle preserved ex Air France
94+21 Mi-8T preserved ex Luftwaffe
94+50 Mi-2 preserved ex Luftwaffe
50+98 C-160D preserved ex Luftwaffe
40+23 Alpha Jet A preserved ex Luftwaffe
PH-FCX Fokker F.27 preserved ex Fokker
64-0745 GF-4C preserved ex USAF
98+16 Su-22UM-3K preserved ex Luftwaffe
25+41 Su-22M-4 preserved ex Luftwaffe
99+05 G-91R/3 preserved ex Luftwaffe
FU-10 F-84F preserved ex Belgian Air Force
0219 Mi-24D preserved ex Czech Air Force
593 MiG-23MF preserved ex NVA
(24+63)/D-8212 F-104G preserved ex Luftwaffe markes "D-8212", on pole
KG+101 F-104G preserved ex Luftwaffe silver c/s, inside garage
26+72 F-104G preserved ex Luftwaffe special c/s, inside garage
16520/HC T-33A preserved ex French Air Force inside garage
KESSEL 13-12-2012
(K-3043) NF-5A stored ex KLu fuselage, in parts
(K-3063) NF-5A stored ex KLu rear end of fuselage
25+61 / FX58 F-104G stored ex Luftwaffe fuselage of 25+61 (Luftwaffe), tail section of FX58 (Belgian Air Force)
21+60 F-104G stored ex Luftwaffe tail from 25+09, c/n on nose "7029"
26+30 F-104G stored ex Luftwaffe
23+01 F-104G stored ex Luftwaffe tail from 23+92
24+89 RF-104G stored ex Luftwaffe tail from 21+78
40+95 Alpha Jet A stored ex Luftwaffe
(61+09) Br.1150 stored ex Marine rear end of fuselage
2007 MiG-21M stored ex Polish Air Force
1909 MiG-21R stored ex Polish Air Force
1809 MiG-21M stored ex Polish Air Force
8909 MiG-21MF stored ex Polish Air Force
2008 MiG-21M stored ex Polish Air Force
(501) Mi-2 stored ex NVA no markings
P-263 F-84F stored ex KLu
XZ357 Jaguar GR3A stored ex Royal Air Force
(20+56)/23 MiG-23UB stored ex Luftwaffe marked with fake registration
OK-ADQ L-410 stored ex CSA
Fokker 50 stored fuselage only
PH-RLH/H S-91D stored ex RLS
Who can confirm the F-104 near the Alpha Jet and Su-22 ready to Greece...
best regards,
Seen from outside on 13-12-2012 at Baarlo and Kessel;
BAARLO 13-12-2012
98+06 Tornado MCRA preserved ex Luftwaffe
1914 MiG-21M preserved ex Polish Air Force
25 13 SU-22M-4 stored ex Luftwaffe ready for transport to Greece ??
40+65 Alpha Jet A stored ex Luftwaffe ready for transport to Greece ??
21+71 F-104G preserved ex Luftwaffe ready for transport to Greece ??
61+11 Br.1150 stored ex Marine special c/s
XN784 Lightning F2A preserved ex Royal Air Force
F-BHRA SE.210 Caravalle preserved ex Air France
94+21 Mi-8T preserved ex Luftwaffe
94+50 Mi-2 preserved ex Luftwaffe
50+98 C-160D preserved ex Luftwaffe
40+23 Alpha Jet A preserved ex Luftwaffe
PH-FCX Fokker F.27 preserved ex Fokker
64-0745 GF-4C preserved ex USAF
98+16 Su-22UM-3K preserved ex Luftwaffe
25+41 Su-22M-4 preserved ex Luftwaffe
99+05 G-91R/3 preserved ex Luftwaffe
FU-10 F-84F preserved ex Belgian Air Force
0219 Mi-24D preserved ex Czech Air Force
593 MiG-23MF preserved ex NVA
(24+63)/D-8212 F-104G preserved ex Luftwaffe markes "D-8212", on pole
KG+101 F-104G preserved ex Luftwaffe silver c/s, inside garage
26+72 F-104G preserved ex Luftwaffe special c/s, inside garage
16520/HC T-33A preserved ex French Air Force inside garage
KESSEL 13-12-2012
(K-3043) NF-5A stored ex KLu fuselage, in parts
(K-3063) NF-5A stored ex KLu rear end of fuselage
25+61 / FX58 F-104G stored ex Luftwaffe fuselage of 25+61 (Luftwaffe), tail section of FX58 (Belgian Air Force)
21+60 F-104G stored ex Luftwaffe tail from 25+09, c/n on nose "7029"
26+30 F-104G stored ex Luftwaffe
23+01 F-104G stored ex Luftwaffe tail from 23+92
24+89 RF-104G stored ex Luftwaffe tail from 21+78
40+95 Alpha Jet A stored ex Luftwaffe
(61+09) Br.1150 stored ex Marine rear end of fuselage
2007 MiG-21M stored ex Polish Air Force
1909 MiG-21R stored ex Polish Air Force
1809 MiG-21M stored ex Polish Air Force
8909 MiG-21MF stored ex Polish Air Force
2008 MiG-21M stored ex Polish Air Force
(501) Mi-2 stored ex NVA no markings
P-263 F-84F stored ex KLu
XZ357 Jaguar GR3A stored ex Royal Air Force
(20+56)/23 MiG-23UB stored ex Luftwaffe marked with fake registration
OK-ADQ L-410 stored ex CSA
Fokker 50 stored fuselage only
PH-RLH/H S-91D stored ex RLS
Who can confirm the F-104 near the Alpha Jet and Su-22 ready to Greece...
best regards,
Arno Cornelissen
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Re: Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
Can anyone pls point out the address of the Kessel location? I thougt it was along the N273, but could not find it. Im currently there for the weekend.
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Re: Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
Is inderdaad langs de N273 (Napoleonsbaan) tegenover snackbar 4-Sprong.....
(als ik mij niet vergis is dat 51°17'29.88"N / 6° 2'22.44"O)
(als ik mij niet vergis is dat 51°17'29.88"N / 6° 2'22.44"O)
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Re: Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
At McDonalds/4-Sprong turn on to the the Heldenseweg, than first left: Spurkt, drive for abut 250m. It is actually at the back of Verstappen Bedrijfswagens on the N273.
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Re: Baarlo & Kessel (collection)
Thanks...I passed the front of Verstapoen, so now I know where to look.
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