Belgrade - Aeronautical Museum (BEG/LYBE)

[Linerman]

The contents of the storage compound were checked on 01Sep12. There have been some new arrivals - four J-20s - but otherwise they are much the same as they have been for many years. Comments about replacements below relate to the information in Jurgen’s very helpful post from 2009: http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php? ... de#p351660.

It is possible to walk around the outside of the fence here, and this is essential in order to see everything.

Row 1 (Perpendicular to the road, back row):
70201 Dove 6 (9751 also visible)
16158 MiG-21UM
22953 MiG-21US
(25719) IJ-22
25505 NJ-22
25506 NJ-22
25509 NJ-22
(24159) J-21
24122 J-21
24418 IJ-21
(24214) J-21
24128 J-21
(24155) J-21

Row 2 (Perpendicular to the road, middle row). J-21 24457 has replaced 23505:
(244)05 IJ-21
24415 IJ-21
24401 IJ-21
(24126) J-21
24410 IJ-21
24457 IJ-21
24130 J-21
24208 J-21
(24142) J-21
23513 NJ-21

Row 3 (Perpendicular to the road, front row). The Soko 522 has replaced J-21 24457, which is now in Row 2:
24454 IJ-21
24145 J-21
24210 J-21
24213 J-21
24156 J-21
23502 NJ-21
60153 SOKO 522
(23)506 NJ-21
2350(7) NJ-21

Row 4 (Parallel to the road, back row). Another J-20 has appeared in this row:
25107 J-22
..... J-20 dismantled
(52101) UTVA 66H dismantled
25511 NJ-22
25723 J-22
30106 J-20
(25)724 J-22
(25)721 J-22
22735 MiG-21PFM
22805 MiG-21M
22818 MiG-21M
(60157) SOKO 522 derelict fuselage
60204 SOKO 522 derelict fuselage

Row 5 (Parallel to the road, middle row). Two J-20s have appeared in this row, while the Mi-2s and the F-84G forward fuselage are at the other end compared to the 2009 list:
(10501) F-84G
12506 Mi-2
12514 Mi-2
12515 Mi-2
11025 F-86E
26103 MiG-21R
16152 MiG-21UM
23156 G-2A
17405 MiG-21bis
22909 MiG-21U
25120 J-22
30107 J-20 ‘Militia 02’ titles; ex Kraljevo-Trstenik
25118 J-22
30109 J-20

Area 6. Was row 6 which was parallel to the road, front row; better described as area adjacent to staff car park, between Row 5 and the museum building):
(24)001 J-21 fuselage
(23629) G-4
23636 G-4

Area 7 (Adjacent to road):
YU-AHB Caravelle
30145 J-20
(30147) J-20 dark camo
(30148) J-20 silver, ‘Memphis’ titles
30157 J-20

Area 8 Cannot reconcile this against Google Earth maps, but contents have been dispersed, the J-20s to Rows 4 and 5 and the SOKO 522 to Row 3.

Area 9 (Adjacent to museum steps). Three additional J-20s have appeared here:
(YU-BMX) M-18 dismantled
10600 F-84G rear fuselage and tail
(YU-BGL) Z-37A dismantled
11054 F-86E tail
YU-CZA Aero 3 dismantled (ex-40186)
YU-DI(O) Zlin 526M dismantled (ex-41104)
51001 UTVA 66 dismantled
51002 UTVA 66 dismantled
51145 UTVA 66 dismantled
(51221) UTVA 66 dismantled
30135 J-20; ex Kraljevo-Trstenik
..... J-20 ‘Militia 03’ titles, fuselage on undercarriage; ex Kraljevo-Trstenik
..... J-20 unmarked, fuselage on undercarriage, almost certainly the fourth J-20 noted at Kraljevo-Trstenik in 2009.

Area 10 (Between Row 3 and Area 6):
11402 Ka-28PL
12512 Mi-2
23512 NJ-21
24404 IJ-21
30103 J-20
30108 J-20
(30144) J-20 dark camo
(30152) J-20 dark camo
(30155) J-20 dark camo

Area 11 (Against the southern fence, behind white DC-3):
(10530) F-84G no tail
(11054) F-86E fuselage
11088 F-86E
(1)7(4)02 MiG-21bis

Finally, a two-seat Jastreb fuselage on a jig was seen in the staff car park. As the tail had been removed, it was not possible to identify it; a candidate would be NJ-21 23505, present in Row 2 in 2009 but not noted by us.

Roy Blewett

[evhest]

Not sure this was reported before, but the wreck of F-117A 82-0806/HO was also in this aera, lying very close to the museum. Tailcode HO was clearly visible.

[AndyMarden]

The contents of the storage compound were checked on 01Sep12. There have been some new arrivals - four J-20s -

The other two J-20s should therefore be 30101 and 30114.
Andy Marden

EMOOS

[Linerman]

The other two J-20s should therefore be 30101 and 30114.

That ties in nicely with the list on the museum's website (or is that the source of the information?)

Roy

[CBR]

Thanks for posting guys !!! It really helped me identify a lot of airframe pics I took recently ...

If you find out this one (still unidentified in your list) please let me know.

[Michiel]

Row 1:

25719 I can confirm. It had the code 719 on the nose
24159 I can confirm. It had the code 159 on the nose
From the 24214 I can confirm the last digit, the 4
24155 I can confirm. It had the code 155 (very faded) on the nose

Row 2:
24405. Confirmed. From one side clearly visible
24126. Confirmed. Serial Faded but readable
24142. I can confirm. It had the code 142 (very faded) on the nose

Row 4:
Serials of the 25721 and 25724 confirmed. Faded but readable.

Area 7:
30147 is confirmed. Had the serial very small just before the windscreen
30148 also confirmed. Serial readable from at least one side

Area 10:
All the 3 J-20's confirmed. Serials small just befor the windscreen

Area 11:
10530 I can confirm. It had the code 530 on the nose

@CBR. I have the same problem with this one. The only thing I see that it's looks like it was the digit "3" on the tailboom.

Regards,

Michiel

[Michiel]

51145 UTVA 66 dismantled

Is this one actually read-off or does the serial came from EMOOS?

Because next to two UTVA-66 were 2 pairs of wings, one with the serial 104 on it!

Michiel

[Wrecks]

Area 11:
10530 I can confirm. It had the code 530 on the nose

@CBR. I have the same problem with this one. The only thing I see that it's looks like it was the digit "3" on the tailboom.

Regards,

Michiel

530 was clearly visible on the nose.

Regards,

Otger

[Wrecks]

Row 4 (Parallel to the road, back row).
(60157) SOKO 522 derelict fuselage

157 could be read on the fuselage.

Regards,

Otger

[Michiel]

Michiel schreef:
Area 11:
10530 I can confirm. It had the code 530 on the nose

@CBR. I have the same problem with this one. The only thing I see that it's looks like it was the digit "3" on the tailboom.

Regards,

Michiel


530 was clearly visible on the nose.

Regards,

That is not what I meant
Yes 530 was clearly visible on the nose of the F-84G. But my reply to CBR was about the picture of the J-20 he posted. It looks like there is also a 3 on the tailboom.

Michiel

[mazzel]

51145 UTVA 66 dismantled

Is this one actually read-off or does the serial came from EMOOS?

Because next to two UTVA-66 were 2 pairs of wings, one with the serial 104 on it!

Michiel

The tail was there at least...

[perry dirkx]

Comparing this list with my logs and Google Earth for the location of every single aircraft leaves me with a few questions:

* 3 unidentified J20s:
- one marked "Militia 03";
- one unmarked, pic posted by CBR, Michiel read the digit 3 on tailboom;
- one unmarked in row4 near the dismanteled UTVA 52101.
Andy and the museum website give 30101 and 30114; at one point we read off 30136 (Michaels "3"?)
Who is who?

* where was F-84G 10501? Has anyone phisicaly seen it, read off or photographed it?
I can't find it on my pics (plenty taken), nor can i find it on the latest Google Earth picture. Earlier GE pics showed it behind the Mi-2s but its not there anymore, at least on my pics. Strange thing is that i noted 3 seen, but that area was a bit of a mess.

* SOKO 522 60204 had WWII Luftwaffe markings on its fuselage, some kind of movie bird?

* Does someone have a pic of NJ21 23505 when it was still in row 2, on the same spot as where 24457 is now?
To compare it with the NJ21 fuselage in the staff parking.

Cheers,
Perry