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Damgarten open dag 15-03-1994 - Question

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Hi all,

Can somebody shed any light on the missing c/n's and questionmarks? Any help would be appreciated:-)

Log Damgarten open dag 15-03-1994

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IL-76MD RA-86025 Aeroflot 0083414433
MiG-29UB 80 white 773 IAP N50903001052
MiG-29A 05 white 773 IAP 2960705571
MiG-23UB 60 white 773 IAP 59075502
AN-12BP 95 red 226 OSAP 4342410
AN-26 15 red 226 OSAP 09303
Mi-8MTW 21 red 239 GwOWP 94638
Mi-24P 26 ylw 337 OBWP 3532434216937
Mi-8MTW 19 red 239 GwOWP 94541

Hangar:
MiG-23UB 70 white 773 IAP 59075504

TWY near static:
MiG-29C 11 white 773 IAP 2960705565? Tail 34
MiG-29C 10 white 773 IAP 2960710835 Tail 48
MiG-29C 09 white 773 IAP 2960705561 Tail 33
MiG-29C 07 white 773 IAP 2960705577
MiG-29C 04 white 773 IAP 2960705568
MiG-29C 02 white 773 IAP 2960710829
MiG-29C 01 white 773 IAP 2960710836 Tail 49
MiG-29C 27 white 773 IAP 2960714627 Tail 62
MiG-29UB 74 white 773 IAP N?????????

TWY off-limits:
MiG-29C 03 white 773 IAP ?????????? Green camo
MiG-29A 26 white 773 IAP 2960516768
MiG-29A 25 white 773 IAP 2960512126
MiG-29A 21 white 773 IAP ?????????? Green camo
MiG-29A 23 white 773 IAP 2960512149
MiG-29A 22 white 773 IAP 2960515840
MiG-29 C 42 white 773 IAP 2960715168 or 2960715468
MiG-29UB 66 blue outl. 773 IAP? N50903008303
MiG-29C 49 white 773 IAP 2960714626
MiG-29C 45 white 773 IAP 2960705587
MiG-29C 51 white 773 IAP 2960707703
MiG-29C 54 white 773 IAP 2960707710
MiG-29C 41 white 773 IAP 2960715150
MiG-29C 32 white 773 IAP ??????????

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TU-134A 25 red 226 OSAP 1363761 (Crashed 10-08-2007 as RA-65573???)
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Re: Damgarten open dag 15-03-1994 - Question

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Interesting log, never saw it before I think!
Otto wrote:Hi all,

Can somebody shed any light on the missing c/n's and questionmarks? Any help would be appreciated:-)

Log Damgarten open dag 15-03-1994

Static:
IL-76MD RA-86025 Aeroflot 0083414433
MiG-29UB 80 white 773 IAP N50903001052

Note that this one is N80003001052 rather than N509030010152 which is the coded plant designation for the later aircraft (and much more common)

MiG-29A 05 white 773 IAP 2960705571

This was not a Fulcrum-A but a Fulcrum-C The MiG-29C as stated in your log is actually a MiG-29S Fulcrum-C (type 9-13)

Note that the MiG-29A in your log is actually a MiG-29_ (without anything) 9-12. The MiG-29A was the 9-12 export version delivered to the WarPac allies while the MiG-29B was the 9-12 export version delivered to other non-WarPac countries such as Iraq, North Korea, Cuba etc.

MiG-23UB 60 white 773 IAP 59075502
AN-12BP 95 red 226 OSAP 4342410
AN-26 15 red 226 OSAP 09303
Mi-8MTW 21 red 239 GwOWP 94638
Mi-24P 26 ylw 337 OBWP 3532434216937
Mi-8MTW 19 red 239 GwOWP 94541

Note that the W is actually a V.

Hangar:
MiG-23UB 70 white 773 IAP 59075504

TWY near static:
MiG-29C 11 white 773 IAP 2960705565? Tail 34

05565 should be correct

MiG-29C 10 white 773 IAP 2960710835 Tail 48
MiG-29C 09 white 773 IAP 2960705561 Tail 33
MiG-29C 07 white 773 IAP 2960705577
MiG-29C 04 white 773 IAP 2960705568
MiG-29C 02 white 773 IAP 2960710829
MiG-29C 01 white 773 IAP 2960710836 Tail 49
MiG-29C 27 white 773 IAP 2960714627 Tail 62



MiG-29UB 74 white 773 IAP N?????????

TWY off-limits:
MiG-29C 03 white 773 IAP ?????????? Green camo
MiG-29A 26 white 773 IAP 2960516768
MiG-29A 25 white 773 IAP 2960512126
MiG-29A 21 white 773 IAP ?????????? Green camo
MiG-29A 23 white 773 IAP 2960512149
MiG-29A 22 white 773 IAP 2960515840
MiG-29 C 42 white 773 IAP 2960715168 or 2960715468

15468 does not exist so 15168 is correct.

MiG-29UB 66 blue outl. 773 IAP? N50903008303
MiG-29C 49 white 773 IAP 2960714626
MiG-29C 45 white 773 IAP 2960705587
MiG-29C 51 white 773 IAP 2960707703
MiG-29C 54 white 773 IAP 2960707710
MiG-29C 41 white 773 IAP 2960715150
MiG-29C 32 white 773 IAP ??????????

Visit flying only:
TU-134A 25 red 226 OSAP 1363761 (Crashed 10-08-2007 as RA-65573???)
It is interesting that 02/25/32/42 and 45 had already left when the unit finally departed on 11 april 1994. According to BAR ten aircraft had departed on 22 March. 03 from your log was not seen during the final years and might be a misread for 53 which was one of the aircraft that already had departed before the rest of the unit.

Regards, Paul
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Re: Damgarten open dag 15-03-1994 - Question

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Thank you very much Paul!

Neither I saw a full log of this open day.

Ref your comment regarding MiG-29 (9-13) 03 white, this one is mentioned in the Scramble showreport, just as 53 white.
Maybe the green camo c/s can clear things up?

Can you perhaps explain the two digits on the tail?

Anyone for the following missing c/n's:
MiG-29UB - 74 white
MiG-29S (9-13) - 03 white (Green camo c/s)
MiG-29S (9-13) - 32 white
MiG-29 (9-12) - 21 white (Green camo c/s)

Anyone for the unit of MiG-29UB 66 blue outl.
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Re: Damgarten open dag 15-03-1994 - Question

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According to the excellent book "Sowjetische Fliegerkräfte Deutschland 1945-1994 - Band 4":

MiG29UB 66bl (c/n N50903008303) belonged to 773IAP

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Gerard wrote:According to the excellent book "Sowjetische Fliegerkräfte Deutschland 1945-1994 - Band 4":

MiG29UB 66bl (c/n N50903008303) belonged to 773IAP

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Thanks Gerard and just out of curiosity, does this excellent book reveal more details?
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It contains lists of all known aircraft to have operated for the VVS in the GDR, but as far as I could see, nothing new for you :wink:
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Gerard wrote:It contains lists of all known aircraft to have operated for the VVS in the GDR, but as far as I could see, nothing new for you :wink:
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Interesting! Does this book also contain detailed lists of the Mig27's and 23's at Brand?

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Re: Damgarten open dag 15-03-1994 - Question

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Nope, it doesn't. Only the c/n of one MiG27 and two MiG23UB
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