Stans Buochs 2017

[jreijmer]

Hello Patrick,

Isn't 10 the A54-010? Was seen also in April in full RAAF c/s still not complete being towed. I know some people that have been there on Thursday. Let me check what kind of information their log contains.

Jeroen

[EvD]

I think the Jordanians run up to 290, which means the French start at 291 and 709-FC would be 293?
Erwin

[EvD]

Oops, they are getting 10 in Jordan, not nine.

That messes it a bit up, the four scenarios I had were:
1)
283-292 to Jordan
293-309 to France
310-311 to QinetiQ
> Then 709-FC would be 295, but that scenario has been falsified...

2)
291-292 to QinetiQ
293-309 to France
283-290, 310-311 to Jordan
> Then 709-FC would be 295, but that scenario has been falsified...

3)
291-307 to France
308-309 to either QinetiQ or Jordan
310-311 to either Jordan or QinetiQ
283-290 to Jordan plus either 308-309 or 310-311
> Then 709-FC would be 293

4)
283-292 to Jordan
293-294 to QinetiQ
295-310 to France
> In that case 709-FC would actually be 297, but those were seen at the same time.

Because the 'contsruction number' we use is actually a contract item number (the real 'c/n' / fuselage number that says something about the build order, is on the engine bulkhead), the build sequence can be haphazard with 291 popping up after say 246 and 308 after 297 for example
Also, the time the contract is closed is relevant: if numbers were already allocated or they were building '291' then option 2) or 3) can apply.

Happy hunting!

Erwin

[patrick dirksen]

Hello Patrick,

Isn't 10 the A54-010? Was seen also in April in full RAAF c/s still not complete being towed. I know some people that have been there on Thursday. Let me check what kind of information their log contains.

Jeroen

That would make sense indeed, apart from that the c/s doesn't match. It was a black number on a white (or light) background, and that doesn't fit with the other Aussies. And 12 looks good colour wise, but c/n 244 that we saw in primer should become Aussie 11, so seeing 12 in full c/s seems strange.
I got a log from Wednesday, so any information from Thursday would be very welcome indeed!

3)
291-307 to France
308-309 to either QinetiQ or Jordan
310-311 to either Jordan or QinetiQ
283-290 to Jordan plus either 308-309 or 310-311
> Then 709-FC would be 293

This seems to be a plausible scenario indeed. I had 283-292 as going to Jordan, but as you say those last two might have been allocated already at the time the extra two were ordered. I do wonder where the first two French are though.

[pilatusmk7]

Seen in Stans, 21 April, in the morning:
- hangar 12:
PC-21 for Jordan, 1176, sn 289, nearly completed,
two PC-21 fuselages, allready painted in blue for France:
709FC, probably (sn 293)
709FD, probably (sn 294)
(serial numbers for Saudi Arabia: sn 155-209, for Qatar: sn 210-233, for Australia: sn 234-282, for Jordan: 283-292), for France: 293-309 (?), for QinetiQ: 310/311 (?)
four PC-21 fuselages in primer:
sn 244 (A54-011)
sn 296
sn 297
sn ???
- new in hangar 9 (wooden hall)
sn 243, A54-010 (HB-HWJ)
sn 779, 269, PC-9 for Irlande
- Pilatus PC-12
sn 1515, HB-FWA (for Federal Office of Civil Aviation)
sn 1687, HB-FWE (company demonstrator)
sn 1705, HB-FSU, first flight
sn 1712, HB-FSB, flying,
sn 1714, in primer, outside
- Pilatus PC-21
sn 288, 1175 (HB-HXF) for Jordan, first flight
Regards, Stephan Widmer

[Canberra TT.18]

sn 779, 269, PC-9 for Irlande
Did Ireland order two new/extra ones?
I guess 268 should also be in production

Pieter

Some googling:
https://flyinginireland.com/2016/11/pc- ... confirmed/
https://flyinginireland.com/2017/01/no- ... confirmed/

One is on order:
ex Fuerza Aerea Mexicana (FAM) example ‘2601’, (c/n 669) to become 268

But with 269 it looks a second one is ordered too. Can't find any info on that one. Or 268 is cancelled in some way.

[pilatusmk7]

As far as I know, Irlande ordered one aircraft as a replacment for the PC-9 who crashed on 12 october 2009.
Stephan Widmer

[Le Addeur noir]

Tuesday 02nd May,

The next 2 PC-21s for the RAAF have departed here (A54-003 and 4) and as I type this (at 07:00Z) they have just departed VGEG-Chittagong and are likely to be night stopping at Bangkok Don Muang this evening before departing to Seletar, Singapore tomorrow.

I guess these departed here on Friday 28th April.

[Le Addeur noir]

On the 25th May in hanger II there were 3 French PC-21s painted,numbers 294,295 and (296), and 2 in primer,298 and 299.Also one Australian in primer MSN244.

[raameagle]

31st May

PC-21s

RAAF
A54-005
A54-006 / HB-HWF
A54-007 / HB-HWG
A54-008 / HB-HWH
[A54-009] MSN 242
A54-010
[A54-011] MSN 244 primer, southside hangar
[A54-012] MSN 245 primer, southside hangar

RJAF
1170 / HB-HXA
1171 / HB-HXB MSN 284
1172 / HB-HXC MSN 285
1173 / HB-HXD MSN 286
1174 / HB-HXE
1175 MSN 288
1176 / HB-HXG MSN 289

French AF
01
02
03 MSN 295, southside hangar
04 southside hangar
[06] MSN 298 primer, southside hangar
[07] MSN 299 primer, southside hangar

Unless listed in southside hangar, all were located in wooden hangar northside. All French examples had their codes covered with tape but we were able to read one MSN.

Regards

Mark (and Steve)

[raameagle]

Extras this morning, 1st June.

RJAF PC-21 1177 painted, south side hangar

One primer fuselage in the south side hangar MSN 327!

Visitor: PC-7 A-927

Regards

Mark (and Steve)

[falcx]

Two PC-21's for the RAAF are expected to start their journey South bound on Friday the 2nd. First stop will be Bari.
The aircraft should be HB-HWE (A54-005) and HB-HWF (A54-006). Both made a test flight on Monday with underwing tanks.

Regards,
Charles

[raameagle]

LSZC-LIBD-LGIR today for HB-HWE and HWF.

Regards

[cis]

Today 2x Australian PC-21 departed for their delivery flight: HB-HWG ("PCH40R") and HB-HWH ("PCH41N")
(info from ADSB)

[Jan-Pieter Bergmans]

Noted from the outside on Monday morning 3 July:

Wooden hall

Pilatus PC-21 for Jordan:
1170
1171
1172
1173
1174
1175
1176

Pilatus PC-21 for Australia
A54-009
A54-010

Pilatus PC21 for Prance:
01
02
03
04

Pilatus PC-9 for Ireland
269

Hangar II on the airfield

Pilatus PC-21 for Jordan
1177

Pilatus PC-21 for Australia
A54-011
246 in primer
247 in primer

Pilatus PC-21 for France
297 / 05 code 709-FG
299 in primer
300 in primer
301 in primer

Pilatus PC-21 from Switzerland:
A-102

Maintenance hangar
538 / L-01 Pilatus PC-7 Klu

Regards,

Arnold Booy,
Jan-Pieter Bergmans.