Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
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Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
Seen last week during a visit with Mrs M were:
A400
F-WWMS
EC-406
EC-400
the stored one in primer (0075)
54+24
(54+26) A4M086
(54+27) A4M087
0089 A4M089 France
54+29 A4M090
54+31 A4M092
A4M094 Turkey
A4M095 France
A4M097 Spain
CN235
(TR-KJE) Gabon
CN-AMG (VIP c/s)
C295
EC-296
TZ-11T (overhaul side)
160 primer
163 primer
171 primer
173 primer
175 TU-VMC
176 primer
178 820 UAE
180 821 UAE
822 UAE
plus EC-025 all white
A400
F-WWMS
EC-406
EC-400
the stored one in primer (0075)
54+24
(54+26) A4M086
(54+27) A4M087
0089 A4M089 France
54+29 A4M090
54+31 A4M092
A4M094 Turkey
A4M095 France
A4M097 Spain
CN235
(TR-KJE) Gabon
CN-AMG (VIP c/s)
C295
EC-296
TZ-11T (overhaul side)
160 primer
163 primer
171 primer
173 primer
175 TU-VMC
176 primer
178 820 UAE
180 821 UAE
822 UAE
plus EC-025 all white
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Re: Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
Hi Andy,
I had a quick visit (non spotting) to Sevilla Thursday the 17th & Sunday the 20th. Thanks to your excellent report I was able to figure out
most of my log, nevertheless:
at the North side a row of three C295's could be easily seen:
One primer (c/n 176), one grey (I assume the TZ-11T, looking at the flag colours) and a third one in primer. Do you know which one this was?
Secondly at the South side a row of three C295's could easily be seen as well. EC-296 (a grey one), 180 UAE Air Force (grey as well) and a third
one in primer. Do you know which one this was ? I thought to read 163, but I'm definitely not sure.
Thanks in advance,
wkr.,
Remco
I had a quick visit (non spotting) to Sevilla Thursday the 17th & Sunday the 20th. Thanks to your excellent report I was able to figure out
most of my log, nevertheless:
at the North side a row of three C295's could be easily seen:
One primer (c/n 176), one grey (I assume the TZ-11T, looking at the flag colours) and a third one in primer. Do you know which one this was?
Secondly at the South side a row of three C295's could easily be seen as well. EC-296 (a grey one), 180 UAE Air Force (grey as well) and a third
one in primer. Do you know which one this was ? I thought to read 163, but I'm definitely not sure.
Thanks in advance,
wkr.,
Remco
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Re: Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
Remco,
On the north side, the two primer machines did not change between 14-17 January (173, 176). Three different ones were in the third spot (nearest the road) during that time. Firstly, the Gabon one (camo), then CN-AMG (white), then TZ-11T (grey) by Thursday.
On the south side, up to three primer 295s were outside at any one time (160, 163, 171). There was quite a lot of movement of these as usual (eg I only saw UAE 822 once, it was on the engine running bay close to the road to the gate.
Andy
On the north side, the two primer machines did not change between 14-17 January (173, 176). Three different ones were in the third spot (nearest the road) during that time. Firstly, the Gabon one (camo), then CN-AMG (white), then TZ-11T (grey) by Thursday.
On the south side, up to three primer 295s were outside at any one time (160, 163, 171). There was quite a lot of movement of these as usual (eg I only saw UAE 822 once, it was on the engine running bay close to the road to the gate.
Andy
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Re: Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
Andy,
Thanks for the quick response, highly appreciated !
Just one more question/remark in general: I was wandering about the EC-400; is this c/n 056, destined to be ZM421?
The one seen by me at Sevilla had a grey tail, while the one destined to becone ZM421 used to have a "RAF 100" tail,
for example seen as such at the Kleine Brogel airshow in September last year.
wkr,
Remco
Thanks for the quick response, highly appreciated !
Just one more question/remark in general: I was wandering about the EC-400; is this c/n 056, destined to be ZM421?
The one seen by me at Sevilla had a grey tail, while the one destined to becone ZM421 used to have a "RAF 100" tail,
for example seen as such at the Kleine Brogel airshow in September last year.
wkr,
Remco
Last edited by Buccaneer S.2B on 22 Jan 2019, 14:31, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
Hi Remco
The A.400 marked as EC-400 is c/n 056 and expected to become an RAF machine. The one in primer with the grey tail is c/n 075 and is/was also expected to become an RAF machine. They were expected to become ZM420 and ZM421 (order not certain) but this is only guess work as c/n 056 was originally expected to become ZM416 and that never happened. c/n 095 has also been quoted as an RAF machine but has been noted with a French flag on the tail. Only time will tell.
TT
The A.400 marked as EC-400 is c/n 056 and expected to become an RAF machine. The one in primer with the grey tail is c/n 075 and is/was also expected to become an RAF machine. They were expected to become ZM420 and ZM421 (order not certain) but this is only guess work as c/n 056 was originally expected to become ZM416 and that never happened. c/n 095 has also been quoted as an RAF machine but has been noted with a French flag on the tail. Only time will tell.
TT
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Re: Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
Hi,
We noted 095 with a French flag on the tail on a factory visit in early Oct 2018.
Mike
We noted 095 with a French flag on the tail on a factory visit in early Oct 2018.
Mike
Re: Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
Noted between 23-26th January
A400
A4M087 GAF fcs
A4M088 GAF fcs
A4M089 FrAF fcs
A4M090 Garman Fcs
54+30 GAF fcs
54+31 GAF fcs
093 TuAF fcs mked 17-0095 on tail 093 on nose
094 Turkish primer
095 French primer
096 German primer
097 Spanish primer
098 Spanish primer
099 Spanish Primer
C295
EC-025 white
EC295
EC296
163 primer
171 primer
173 primer
176 primer
175 TU-VMC
178/820 UAE
180/821 UAE
182/822 UAE
183
184
Cn235
CN-AMG
TR-KJE
A400
A4M087 GAF fcs
A4M088 GAF fcs
A4M089 FrAF fcs
A4M090 Garman Fcs
54+30 GAF fcs
54+31 GAF fcs
093 TuAF fcs mked 17-0095 on tail 093 on nose
094 Turkish primer
095 French primer
096 German primer
097 Spanish primer
098 Spanish primer
099 Spanish Primer
C295
EC-025 white
EC295
EC296
163 primer
171 primer
173 primer
176 primer
175 TU-VMC
178/820 UAE
180/821 UAE
182/822 UAE
183
184
Cn235
CN-AMG
TR-KJE
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Re: Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
A last minute quick trip made 6th/7th February, following noted:
A400M
A4M086 Luftwaffe fcs
A4M088 Luftwaffe fcs
A4M090 Luftwaffe fcS
(092) 54+31 Luftwaffe fcs
(093) 17-0095 THK fcs
095 AdlA primer
096 Luftwaffe primer
098 EdA primer
100 Luftwaffe primer
??? Stored primer (Airbus Sur)
??? Luftwaffe fcs
EC-402 Stored
EC-404
(EC-406)
C295
(159) TZ-11T Mali - Airbus Norte
163 primer (C.295W)
(166) (EC-025) white
171 primer (C.295W)
176 primer - Airbus Norte
(178) 820 UAEAF
??? primer (C.295W) - Airbus Norte
CN235
CN-AMG - Airbus Norte
(TR-KJE) - Airbus Norte
Noted on the EdA ramp next to stored C-130 and P-3 was:
(T.10-08) / 31-05 C-130H
On the GA apron
(3703) EC-GVX Cessna FTB.337G ex Portugal
A400M
A4M086 Luftwaffe fcs
A4M088 Luftwaffe fcs
A4M090 Luftwaffe fcS
(092) 54+31 Luftwaffe fcs
(093) 17-0095 THK fcs
095 AdlA primer
096 Luftwaffe primer
098 EdA primer
100 Luftwaffe primer
??? Stored primer (Airbus Sur)
??? Luftwaffe fcs
EC-402 Stored
EC-404
(EC-406)
C295
(159) TZ-11T Mali - Airbus Norte
163 primer (C.295W)
(166) (EC-025) white
171 primer (C.295W)
176 primer - Airbus Norte
(178) 820 UAEAF
??? primer (C.295W) - Airbus Norte
CN235
CN-AMG - Airbus Norte
(TR-KJE) - Airbus Norte
Noted on the EdA ramp next to stored C-130 and P-3 was:
(T.10-08) / 31-05 C-130H
On the GA apron
(3703) EC-GVX Cessna FTB.337G ex Portugal
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Re: Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
Noted at Seville on 16/2/19
090 (54+29) GAF FCS Outside Main ramp
091 (54+30) GAF FCS Outside End of ramp
092 54+31 GAF FCS Inside production hangar
(093) 17-0095 TUAF FCS Outside End of ramp
094 17-0096 TUAF FCS Outside Main ramp 0094 on the nose like a code ??
095 FAF Primer Flight test hangar
(096) GAF Primer Flight test hangar (c/n from tour guide)
097 Spain Primer Outside main ramp
098 Spain Primer Outside main ramp
099 Spain Primer Flight test hangar
100 GAF Primer Outside production hangar
101 Spain Primer Outside Paint shop hangar
102 ?? Primer Production line complete tail not fitted yet
103 ?? Primer Production line Fuselage/wings not mated
104 LUX Primer Production line Nose/Wings only (Fuse coming from Bremen)
CNA-MG CN235 RMAF Northside
TR-KJE CN235 Gabon Northside
TZ-11T C295 Mali Northside Towed from hangar for engine runs
173 C295 Primer Northside
176 C295 Primer Northside
820/178 C295 UAEAF A400M Main Ramp
TU-VMC C295 Ivroy A400M Main Ramp
EC-001 C295 Primer A400M Main Ramp
EC-025 C295 White Outside paint shop hangar
090 (54+29) GAF FCS Outside Main ramp
091 (54+30) GAF FCS Outside End of ramp
092 54+31 GAF FCS Inside production hangar
(093) 17-0095 TUAF FCS Outside End of ramp
094 17-0096 TUAF FCS Outside Main ramp 0094 on the nose like a code ??
095 FAF Primer Flight test hangar
(096) GAF Primer Flight test hangar (c/n from tour guide)
097 Spain Primer Outside main ramp
098 Spain Primer Outside main ramp
099 Spain Primer Flight test hangar
100 GAF Primer Outside production hangar
101 Spain Primer Outside Paint shop hangar
102 ?? Primer Production line complete tail not fitted yet
103 ?? Primer Production line Fuselage/wings not mated
104 LUX Primer Production line Nose/Wings only (Fuse coming from Bremen)
CNA-MG CN235 RMAF Northside
TR-KJE CN235 Gabon Northside
TZ-11T C295 Mali Northside Towed from hangar for engine runs
173 C295 Primer Northside
176 C295 Primer Northside
820/178 C295 UAEAF A400M Main Ramp
TU-VMC C295 Ivroy A400M Main Ramp
EC-001 C295 Primer A400M Main Ramp
EC-025 C295 White Outside paint shop hangar
Re: Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
It would appear that the paintshop have put the wrong serials on the tail of the Turkish A400Ms! If they are MSN 093 and 094 then their tail numbers should be [17]-0093 and [17]-0094 unless they have come up with a new numbering sequence?
Regards
Mark
Regards
Mark
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Re: Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
according to pictures, MSN104 should be the first Belgian machine, at least according to pictures of the rear fuselage.
source https://sway.office.com/by7yi2U2sg4knFNw
i downloaded the pics in HiRes and either 104 is the first Belgian or they labeled the part incorrectly, i believe its the latter. so the first Belgian machine should be MSN106, of witch certain parts should have already arrived.
source https://sway.office.com/by7yi2U2sg4knFNw
i downloaded the pics in HiRes and either 104 is the first Belgian or they labeled the part incorrectly, i believe its the latter. so the first Belgian machine should be MSN106, of witch certain parts should have already arrived.
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Re: Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
Well according to a post on scramble Facebook page on 13/2 104 nose was pictured as being Luxembourg ???
Re: Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
Have you taken into account that the serials on A.400s 093 & 094 are correct. 17-0093 & 17-0094 may have already been allocated to another type and the Turkish Air Force didn't want to use the same numbers again. Time will tell.
TT
TT
Re: Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
Yes, that is a perfectly feasible explanation too TT and as you say, time will tell.
Regards
Mark
Regards
Mark
Re: Seville/San Pablo (LEZL/SVQ) 2019
Additions seen on 19 Feb were
Norte GHF-550 and GHF-551 C.295 Ghana
Sur 822 UAE
Regards
Paul
Norte GHF-550 and GHF-551 C.295 Ghana
Sur 822 UAE
Regards
Paul