The Dutch airliner delivery thread

Nozem · Post by **Nozem** » 22 Dec 2005, 21:54

akarssen wrote:Martinair

Boeing 747-400BCF:
all leased from Guggenheim

If these are the cn numbers (and I think they are) then here are some pictures,if not then I'm maybe stupido

PH-xxx - (24061) end 2006 :

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... entry=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

24066 :

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... entry=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

24226 :

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... entry=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and 24975 :

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... entry=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Funny to see that it are 3 Air India's and one SQ and this one is A/W at the moment

Greetz Ton

akarssen · Post by **akarssen** » 23 Dec 2005, 00:30

Nozem wrote: If these are the cn numbers (and I think they are)

Funny to see that it are 3 Air India's and one SQ and this one is A/W at the moment

Greetz Ton

You are right, they are the cn's according to various sources.
They are all exSQ. Guggenheim has leased 3 of them to AI until it's time for conversion to SF. The latest info I have on the fourth (24061) is from cactuswings.com: "Ex-Singapore B747-400 N733BA [24061], previously stored at Marana, departed 08Dec-2005 to San Antonio for pre-delivery to an unknown customer." So it is possible that it will be leased out as pax plane as well, but since MP is expecting its first plane in October, my guess is that it is in conversion now (just a guess!).

MP744SF · Post by **MP744SF** » 23 Dec 2005, 15:53

flying_kiwi wrote:
MP744SF wrote: 76-er,
Sorry to say but all 744 pax-to-freighter conversions are Boeing Cenverted Freighters as it is Boeing that has done the engineering for the conversion and has requested type certification for the 'new' type. That the actual modification is done by Bedek or TAECO (http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/2 ... 9b_nr.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) or some other Boeing-approved modification facility does not matter.
I was of the understanding that only the conversions done by a Boeing approved facility were considered to be BCF's. And at the moment, TAECO is the only Boeing approved location for BCF conversions as noted at the bottom ofthis article.
The conversions by Bedek are of there own design, and subject to a separate STC, so cannot be considered to be BCF's.

Regards,
Yorden

Yorden, indeed you are correct when you say Bedek has their own conversion program (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread ... nextoldest" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). I was under the mistaken impression IAI/Bedek was a Boeing approved facility since they also did the 757SF program "together".

Funny though that the Boeing programme is further in it's development even though it started later than Bedek's.

Brgds MP744SF (but basically since the renaming of the programme by Boeing this should be MP744BCF I guess...

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flying_kiwi · Post by **flying_kiwi** » 23 Dec 2005, 16:58

Expected tonight is the second of the ex-Pelita F100s.
C/n is the 11475 and will most likely arrive under the reg of F-OFRG.

Regards,
Yorden

cHabu · Post by **cHabu** » 23 Dec 2005, 23:23

flying_kiwi wrote:Expected tonight is the second of the ex-Pelita F100s.
C/n is the 11475 and will most likely arrive under the reg of F-OFRG.

Although this is good input, expected movements should be posted in the "daily" topic for AMS airport, so in this case in the topic for Dec. 23rd.

Bye, CU.

cHabu · Post by **cHabu** » 23 Dec 2005, 23:40

Next page, next update ?

Dec. 27th:updated with info from Martijn's message. (thx!)
Dec. 29th:updated with KLM corp. info.
Jan. 4rd:updated with proposed AFR info.
Jan. 19th:updated with info from the aviationphotos.org forum.

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KLM Cityhopper

Fokker 100:
PH-OFL - Dec 2005 (11444)
PH-OFM - Dec 2005 (11475)
PH-OFN - Dec 2005 (11477)

on order (?) ex Regional:

Fokker 70:

F-GLIS
F-GLIT
F-GLIU
F-GLIV
F-GLIX

Fokker 100:

F-GIOG
F-GLIR
F-GNLI
F-GNLK
F-GPNK
F-GPNL

KLM

Boeing 737-800:
PH-BXU - May 2006 (33028) [CIT]
PH-BXx - dd 2007

Airbus A330-200:
PH-AOD - Apr 2006 (msn 738)
PH-AOE - Aug 2006 (msn 770)
PH-AOF - Dec 2006
PH-AOH - Feb 2007 [ILFC]
PH-AOI - Mar 2007 [ILFC]

Boeing 777-200:
PH-BQL - 3th week of Feb 2006 (msn 34711)
PH-BQM - 1st week of Apr 2006 (msn 34712)
PH-BQN - 3th week of Apr 2006 (msn 32720) [ILFC]
PH-BQO - Jan 2007 (msn 35295) [ILFC]
PH-BQP - Mar 2007 (msn 32721) [ILFC]
PH-BQR - Feb 2008 (msn 35671)
PH-BQS - 2008
PH-BQT - 2008

Boeing 744F:
PH-CKD - Jan 2007 (msn 35233)

A thread on the aviationphotos forum mentions some Boeing 767 info:

PH-BZD exit 27 Mar 2006 to Neos.
PH-BZE exit 20 Feb 2006 to North American
PH-BZF exit 1st May 2006 to Aeroflot.
PH-BZG exit 3rd Jun 2006 to Aeroflot.

Transavia

Boeing 737-800:
PH-HZx - 2007

Martinair

Boeing 747-400BCF:
PH-xxx - Oct 2006 (24061)
PH-xxx - 2007
PH-xxx - 2007
PH-xxx - early 2008

(other's:24066, 24226 and 24975)

Airbus A320:
PH-xxx - dd?

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MST/EHBK:

Interstate Airlines

ATR42:
PH-ISB - dd ?
PH-ISC - dd ?
[one is ex-City Air ATR 42-500 (532).]

B747-200F:
xx-xxx - Dec 2005

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Although i was given some details regarding the MPH 74F's, i was asked to keep the details under wraps. I do however can confirm the mentioned msn's in akarssen's previous reply.

Don't worry, details will be made public in due time.

Bye, Chris.

SPL · Post by **SPL** » 24 Dec 2005, 17:24

Chris, and others,

A small change and additional info about the KL B777-200 deliveries:

PH-BQL 3th week of February 2006
PH-BQM 1st week of April 2006
PH-BQN 3th week of April 2006
PH-BQO December 2006
PH-BQP March 2007
PH-BQR February 2008

Source: Airnieuws Magazine.

Groeten Martijn

E-R-I-C · Post by **E-R-I-C** » 29 Dec 2005, 14:18

akarssen wrote:Updates in blue:
cHabu wrote: =====

Boeing 777-200:
PH-BQL - Jan 2006
PH-BQM - Mar 2006
PH-BQN - May 2006 [ILFC]
PH-BQO March 2007 [ILFC]
PH-BQP
PH-BQR
PH-BQS
PH-BQT

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Bye, Chris.[/b]

cHabu · Post by **cHabu** » 30 Dec 2005, 19:25

Must have missed E-R-I-C's reply but have no clue what the content is.

E-R-I-C ?

cHabu · Post by **cHabu** » 04 Jan 2006, 22:53

Hiya,

I added the current Regional fleet to this thread, but was wondering if you agree with this step i took.

So question to the readers: Do we keep them in as "on order" or do we delete them from this thread ?

Bye, Chris.

flying_kiwi · Post by **flying_kiwi** » 05 Jan 2006, 09:20

cHabu wrote: So question to the readers: Do we keep them in as "on order" or do we delete them from this thread ?

Personally, I think we should keep them in the list. It isn't definate as yet, but it is a rumor that has come from a number of sources, so until we hear otherwise, it's reasonable to assume that the aircraft will be delivered in the future.

Regards,
Yorden

MP744SF · Post by **MP744SF** » 05 Jan 2006, 10:12

Have heard a fourth A320 will be added to the MP fleet this year. No details on lease available at this time though.

Brgds, MP744SF.

JS50557 · Post by **JS50557** » 05 Jan 2006, 16:12

PH-CKD is scheduled for October 2006

cHabu · Post by **cHabu** » 05 Jan 2006, 16:50

JS50557 wrote:PH-CKD is scheduled for October 2006

Don't know how updated your info is. Mine is from a KLM doc dated 25-11-05.

Bye, Chris.

nausea · Post by **nausea** » 05 Jan 2006, 18:31

Have heard a fourth A320 will be added to the MP fleet this year. No details on lease available at this time though.

Is only a lease for the summer period because only 1 MD11 will be converted for pax this year.