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[ErwinS]

[By exception, we keep this discussion in a non-discussion forum, because it is about this forum
Erik]

The Cub.
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[Vincent]

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Removed due to useless discussion, always the same story here last couple of months
Good luck.

[Aircolours]

The Cub.
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Do I sense some sarcasm over her ??

[ErwinS]

The Cub.
edit. removed since this photo forum is no longer for special visitors.

Do I sense some sarcasm over her ??

Indeed, I am tired of all those KLM shots.....Nothing special to be seen, but that's just me. Maybe we can transform this forum into a photogallery.....

[Ger]

Fully agree with Erwin. It seems that every shot that is taken at the airport (Swans?) or taken from hometowns far from the airport has to be published on this forum. But doesn't have any value for "real" spotters....It looks like a sort of competition....
Guys, be more critical what you publish on this forum....To see 20 times the same take offs is not interesting anymore...

Happy spotting!
Ger

[wild weasel]

@ Ger and Erwin:

You have two kinds of aviation photography, knowing aviation photography and aviation photography. Both kinds of photography have equal rights. It's all a matter about personal taste. I don't like the average plane spotters picture, cause it's pretty boring to me. some guys here are trying to make these airplanes alive, and there's nothing wrong with that.....

If the moderators will ask us to leave here, then we will. Maybe it's even better to move this subject to t praethuys, and we can discuss further on. I think this forum gets more exciting with different kind of style taking pictures. If you refer to the swans, you're probably right, it's just my appreciation to nature, but next time i will put it somewhere else, fine by me...

Menno

[ErwinS]

There is nothing wrong with those pictures but for me Scramble represents a spotters community and spotters are interested in rare, old and or special aircraft. That's what I'm about anyhow.
These artistic shots of everyday visitors should be posted elsewhere imo.
If I look in a day topic of an airport I expect to see the rare and special visitors(the ones I missed:-P). The kind of aircraft for wich you would drive a long way just to catch her.

Anyway, since it's more appreciated by most members here that the arstic shots are all fantastic iso my Antonov 12 shot or whatever special visitor, there is no need for me anymore to post such shots.

[wild weasel]

There is nothing wrong with those pictures but for me Scramble represents a spotters community and spotters are interested in rare, old and or special aircraft. That's what I'm about anyhow.
These artistic shots of everyday visitors should be posted elsewhere imo.
If I look in a day topic of an airport I expect to see the rare and special visitors(the ones I missed:-P). The kind of aircraft for wich you would drive a long way just to catch her.

Anyway, since it's more appreciated by most members here that the arstic shots are all fantastic iso my Antonov 12 shot or whatever special visitor, there is no need for me anymore to post such shots.

If scramble will open a new specific Forum for "our" kind of photography, i will be more then willing to move over there, but there simply isn't any. Given this i think it's best to repsect each others way/style of photographing and work. If somebody doesn't want to see the pictures i have taken, then he or she is free to skip my part of the contribution. To be honest, i do the same with the average spotting pics, it's just not my cup of tea.....

Here's the description of this forum again.......This is the forum to share your recent aviation photos with the rest of the community, being photos not older than six months at the moment of topic opening. Theme-based topics, not about recent events, should go into the sub-forum. Be aware....

So no hard feelings, but i will keep posting my kind of pictures here....

[Boudewijn van Oirschot]

Anyway, since it's more appreciated by most members here that the arstic shots are all fantastic iso my Antonov 12 shot or whatever special visitor, there is no need for me anymore to post such shots.

I understand what you're saying.. it might look like it isn't important anymore.. but it still is, lots of members still apprectiate rather 'normal' pictures from Schiphol's movement.

Moreover, as discussed thousands of times before. There are now several planespotters/photographers trying to copy the photography behavior of NustyR. However, the difference between NustyR and the 'wanna Bes' is that NustyR has the right gear but most of all, the very sophisticated skills to do so and the others just try.
Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate ALL input and effort from everyone. In addition, there is some real good input and creativity. And certain photographers add a good flair to a picture as well.

To come back to my first sentence. Please continue posting all pictures! Even when it's just a easyJet landing at Schiphol.. always good to see how the weather actually was, as well how the photographer performed

[Iwan Bogels]

You have two kinds of aviation photography, knowing aviation photography and aviation photography. Both kinds of photography have equal rights.

Hi Menno,

I fully agree. And as this is the "Aviation Photo Forum", I think both types belong here.

Its like billiards and snooker. Both use ivory-like balls and a cue, and play on a quite smililar table, but they both play a different game. You may like one better than the other, but there is no reason to chase one of the two types away from the most popular cafe in the country.

That's the way I see it.....

Cheers,
Iwan

[wild weasel]

Anyway, since it's more appreciated by most members here that the arstic shots are all fantastic iso my Antonov 12 shot or whatever special visitor, there is no need for me anymore to post such shots.

I understand what you're saying.. it might look like it isn't important anymore.. but it still is, lots of members still apprectiate rather 'normal' pictures from Schiphol's movement.

Moreover, as discussed thousands of times before. There are now several planespotters/photographers trying to copy the photography behavior of NustyR. However, the difference between NustyR and the 'wanna Bes' is that NustyR has the right gear but most of all, the very sophisticated skills to do so and the others just try.
Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate ALL input and effort from everyone. In addition, there is some real good input and creativity. And certain photographers add a good flair to a picture as well.

To come back to my first sentence. Please continue posting all pictures! Even when it's just a easyJet landing at Schiphol.. always good to see how the weather actually was, as well how the photographer performed

Euh, sorry Bas, but i have to correct you on this one! But now i am speaking on behalf of myself, not the others. NustyR alias Martijn sure is a very good inspirator, i have allways admired his work, and still do. But i sure do NOT want to copy any of his work. Besides that, you're saying, it's all about having the right equipment, meaning to say, everybody can make pictures like that? Martijn is a hard working guy, taking the time and effort to get up early, drive to his working field and do what he does best, and yes, he's got the right equipment, but allso know's which location to pick and last but not least, which weather will give the best results.

But come on, he is not some kind of god...

[wild weasel]

But guys, let's get back to topic please, and keep the pictures coming. cause i'm sure this forum is not meant to have this discussion, and i am just as guilty, to mix myself in it....

[wild weasel]

Hey Iwan...

Hahaha. i couldn't have said it better myself!

Cheers,
Menno

You have two kinds of aviation photography, knowing aviation photography and aviation photography. Both kinds of photography have equal rights.

Hi Menno,

I fully agree. And as this is the "Aviation Photo Forum", I think both types belong here.

Its like billiards and snooker. Both use ivory-like balls and a cue, and play on a quite smililar table, but they both play a different game. You may like one better than the other, but there is no reason to chase one of the two types away from the most popular cafe in the country.

That's the way I see it.....

Cheers,
Iwan

[Boudewijn van Oirschot]

Euh, sorry Bas, but i have to correct you on this one! But now i am speaking on behalf of myself, not the others. NustyR alias Martijn sure is a very good inspirator, i have allways admired his work, and still do. But i sure do NOT want to copy any of his work. Besides that, you're saying, it's all about having the right equipment, meaning to say, everybody can make pictures like that? Martijn is a hard working guy, taking the time and effort to get up early, drive to his working field and do what he does best, and yes, he's got the right equipment, but allso know's which location to pick and last but not least, which weather will give the best results.

But come on, he is not some kind of god...

No of course he is not good. He is just a very good photographer, probably one of the best of this board. And I am also not stating that you are copy his photography behavior as I mentioned that there are also photographers with its own creativity.

About the equipment, of course it always depends on the fotographer. But I don't have a 500MM lens, so I cannot take some pictures he takes. And that counts for more spotters here. Otherwise, not meaning that it really matters.. at least not for me.

[Iwan Bogels]

No of course he is not god. He is just a very good photographer, probably one of the best of this board. And I am also not stating that you are copy his photography behavior as I mentioned that there are also photographers with its own creativity.
About the equipment, of course it always depends on the fotographer. But I don't have a 500MM lens, so I cannot take some pictures he takes. And that counts for more spotters here. Otherwise, not meaning that it really matters.. at least not for me.

Hi Bas,

Martijn has broken the invisible boundries of civil aviation photography. Until his arrival here at Scramble "collection shots" were standard within the civil aviation community. Martijn obviously has a passion for photography, and his favorite subject seems to be aviation & nature (combined if possible). Next to that he has "the Eye" to see beauty, where most of us were blinded by shooting rarity rather than beauty.

By now you see two groups of people breaking out of the traditional box: People who love Nusty's work and try if they can make a similar shot for their own collection, and people who have seen "the light" and dare to be creative in their own way. I know it's a thin line, but at least Martijn's work has been an eye-opener to several people who got stuck in the traditional hobby. So, well done Nusty !

As for Nusty's equipment, if I'm not mistaking he has been using a 5D and/or 1D in combination with a fixed 500mm lens. This will give him either 500 or 650 mm when you consider the cropfactor of the cameras. Most of us at this forum use cameras with 1.5 or 1.6 cropfactors, so if you have a 400mm lens you have the equivalent of a 600 / 640 mm lens. This means that Nusty doesn't have more reach than people with 80-400 or 100-400 lenses. The only difference is that the 500 prime provides just a bit higher quality in sharpness than the zooms do. I think this means that the creative restriction is just in your mind, and you just need to try harder to make it show.

Hope this helps you improve yourself even further.

Cheers.
Iwan