Ukraine escalate? - split off

[F17_114PM]

"Russian use proffesional provocers"

And the Ucraine not? I didn´t know that the forum can be used for so one-sided propaganda without problem ...!!!

[jp 74]

"Russian use proffesional provocers"

And the Ucraine not? I didn´t know that the forum can be used for so one-sided propaganda without problem ...!!!

If the Russians use provocers it is a foreign intrusion, when the Ukranians do this it is a domastic affair.

[PilotoRico]

"Russian use proffesional provocers"

And the Ucraine not? I didn´t know that the forum can be used for so one-sided propaganda without problem ...!!!

Face the fact that Russia in the Aggressor... not Ucraine!

Cheerzzz

[F17_114PM]

"Russian use proffesional provocers"

And the Ucraine not? I didn´t know that the forum can be used for so one-sided propaganda without problem ...!!!

Face the fact that Russia in the Aggressor... not Ucraine!

Cheerzzz

Should I tell you something about the Nazis in the "new" Ucrainian government or not? Better not, because this is not the proper place for this subject, but try to inform you a little more globally about what is going on in the Ucraine and not only what they want us to believe (and I mean both sides, to be clear!).

[jp 74]

"Russian use proffesional provocers"

And the Ucraine not? I didn´t know that the forum can be used for so one-sided propaganda without problem ...!!!

Face the fact that Russia in the Aggressor... not Ucraine!

Cheerzzz

Should I tell you something about the Nazis in the "new" Ucrainian government or not? Better not, because this is not the proper place for this subject, but try to inform you a little more globally about what is going on in the Ucraine and not only what they want us to believe (and I mean both sides, to be clear!).

Maybe it is better for you to move your comments to nu.nl.

[F17_114PM]

I clearly spoke about both sides. You know, it´s common knowledge from the beginning of the human history, that for every conflict you need two sides and neither side will speak the one and only truth!

But, if you thing that´s nonsense and this crisis is a exception in human history, ok, it´s your opinion ...

[jp 74]

I clearly spoke about both sides. You know, it´s common knowledge from the beginning of the human history, that for every conflict you need two sides and neither side will speak the one and only truth!

But, if you thing that´s nonsense and this crisis is a exception in human history, ok, it´s your opinion ...

Nope it is not nonsense and i agree with you that it has both sides, however this is the militairy aviaton news topic and not a political discussion forum for that you have to be at nu.nl.

[hammarö]

The airlanded around 80 special elite soldiers is still on place. The helicopters used and pictured on video had red stars. Maybee it could be MVD helicopters, the unit strength of six helicopters is typical for other MVD units in Russia. Nearest known units is Rostov-na-Don west and Mozdok. The unit of the soldiers is not known yet but could be Special Forces of FSB or MVD.

The troubled place called gammelsvenskby (translated oldSwedishvillage), settledown of some Swedish in the past.

The gas station they fight around is not only pipes and control valves. It hold a gas storage. Maybe important for supply to Crimea. There is no supply of gas or electricity from the Kerch direction.

The Ukraine Secret Service are interested of the explosives used by the Russians. They have info on Internet asking of the type of the explosives. The holder of the explosives was an Russian citizen. He is arrested. He has worked in other troubled areas such as Dagestan and Ossetia.

http://www.sbu.gov.ua/sbu/control/en/pu ... t_id=35317
writes

The SSU officers prevented subversive activities against Ukrainian citizens in Donetsk region and detained a 37-year old Russian citizen, who was engaged in formation of an armed subversive group aiming to destabilize the situation in Ukraine,’ the SSU Head Valentyn Nalyvaichenko stated at the briefing.

‘He poses a threat as he is not an ordinary criminal but a trained, professional saboteur. This person was walking on land of miners with explosives on him and creating subversive groups to conduct explosions in crowded places,’ said Nalyvaichenko.

‘This is a blatant operation of foreign special services in its worst form – subversion,’ noted the SSU Head.

According to the Security Service of Ukraine, the detained person was organizing the activity of a number of extremist groups, in particular providing them with arms and explosives. It is known that he had served in the hot spots of the Russian Federation (Dagestan, Ossetia etc.). On the night of March 11, he was detained by the SSU and the MIA officers. IED components, such as detonators and a substance similar to plastic explosives, were found among his personal belongings. The SSU initiated criminal proceedings pertaining to Part 1 Article 263 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (illegal handling of arms, ammunition or explosives).

Nalyvaichenko stated that the SSU priority task is prevention of crimes against state, our citizens and their protection from subversive activities. Therefore, he requests that all the citizens should inform about the facts and suspicions of alleged sabotage. The SSU Hot Line: 0-800-501-482 (see the SSU official web-site).

[hammarö]

This is NOT aircraft related but Ukraine related.

A lot of talk of Sokol Special Forces. There are the helicopters?

March 25 (BBC News Europe) A Ukrainian ultra-nationalist leader has been shot dead in what officials describe as a special forces operation. Oleksandr Muzychko, better known as Sashko Bily, died in a shoot-out with police in a cafe in Rivne in western Ukraine, the interior ministry said. He was a leader of Right Sector, a far-right group which was prominent in the recent anti-government protests. Meanwhile, Ukraine's parliament has voted to accept the resignation of Defence Minister Ihor Tenyukh.
Mr Tenyukh had been accused of indecision in the face of Russia's military takeover of Crimea.

The shooting of Muzychko happened just hours after Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov had held talks with his Ukrainian counterpart Andriy Deshchytsia - their first meeting since Russia's move into Crimea triggered a diplomatic crisis.

http://poltavabloggen.blogspot.se/2014/ ... -dies.html

[hammarö]

Denmark now change to six sent aircraft.

Visby
JAS39 (2) Sweden
Increased training activity

Siaulai
F-15C (10) USAF
F-16 (6) Denmark
Eurofighter (4) UK
Rafale (4) France

Lask
F-16C (12) USAF

Poland
E-4A (1) NATO
RC-135 (1) UK

Romania
E-4A (1) NATO

[Nilson]

NATO E-4? should be E-3!

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[K-9]

I'm sorry .... But all this " show of force ", seems to be pretty useless.
As if " we " are going to change the current situation in the crimea. And a real answer to a NATO article 5 ( if it will happen ) ....

[hammarö]

Map of Russian concentrations of ground units against Ukraine.

The two northerns belongs to a 2-4 brigades breaktrough of Northern OSK (Zapad OSK).
The two southerns belongs to a 2-4 brigades breaktrough of Southern OSK (Yuzhno OSK). Rostov-na-Don.

https://twitter.com/MiddleEast_BRK/stat ... 20/photo/1

[Banter]

I'm sorry .... But all this " show of force ", seems to be pretty useless.
As if " we " are going to change the current situation in the crimea.

Agreed ! NATO ''missed the Boat'' so to speak . Show of force is in order to deter any more Crimea's imho.

[hammarö]

German tanks go East through Poland.

https://twitter.com/LukaszWojcik1/statu ... 17/photo/1