Errr yes, the Russian Air Force also lost a Mig-29 this Thursday.pjotrtje wrote:the first link says SU-34, the second says MiG-29?
Perhaps the fact she was flying over Moscow last month has something to do with the fact that there aren't many airworthy examples around???Jan H wrote:More info; (Actually this particular Su-34 did fly during the May festivities above Moscow)
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1331184.html
And why would they risk a war against a major part of the rest of the world? What would they gain by doing so? Neither party would benefit from such a situation.Slijfie wrote:Thanks. Yes I noticed, but it's still shocking to see.
If you like to know how this all started, I can recommend two books written by Peter 'd Hamecourt (former NOS-correspondent in Russia): 'Rusland in oorlog -met zichzelf en de wereld' part 1 and 2. I'm reading them now. He describes how the cold war and propaganda war intensified after the Crimean was taken. Including the shoot-down of MH17 and the war in Ukraine. The Russian are prepared for war in a way the Germans were in 1930s. Seeing Russian news sites like RT and Sputnik proves that Peter is right. There are hardly any independent media left in Russia: papers and sites that ask critical questions are deemed '5th column' and taken down.
A good (but long) read is this article in the New York Times of a few days ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magaz ... .html?_r=0. It shows how the Russian government is spreading hatred worldwide via the internet.
This all worries me.
Remember the Cuban missile crisisJohn Rambo wrote:Try putting (Russia) weaponry right next the USA and see how they will respond. Americans would go totally mental.
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I totally agree with you and knowing some including officials over there, I don't think that we are so far from each other when it comes about state of mind.John Rambo wrote:And why would they risk a war against a major part of the rest of the world? What would they gain by doing so? Neither party would benefit from such a situation.Slijfie wrote:Thanks. Yes I noticed, but it's still shocking to see.
If you like to know how this all started, I can recommend two books written by Peter 'd Hamecourt (former NOS-correspondent in Russia): 'Rusland in oorlog -met zichzelf en de wereld' part 1 and 2. I'm reading them now. He describes how the cold war and propaganda war intensified after the Crimean was taken. Including the shoot-down of MH17 and the war in Ukraine. The Russian are prepared for war in a way the Germans were in 1930s. Seeing Russian news sites like RT and Sputnik proves that Peter is right. There are hardly any independent media left in Russia: papers and sites that ask critical questions are deemed '5th column' and taken down.
A good (but long) read is this article in the New York Times of a few days ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magaz ... .html?_r=0. It shows how the Russian government is spreading hatred worldwide via the internet.
This all worries me.
Personally I find it really annoying that people start talking this kind of second cold war language again. Apparently people haven't learned anything from the first cold war (wich was kind of a big misunderstanding).
It is still funny to see that the western world finds it dead normal that they can put weapons right next to Russia, do some spying, air-police stuff etc. and find it strange when Russia doesn't like that. Try putting (Russia) weaponry right next the USA and see how they will respond. Americans would go totally mental.
No we don't.FredL wrote: Russia and us share the same enemies...
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