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The Croatian AF Mig.21 soap story continues...

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The Croatian AF Mig.21 story continues..... Google it and you will find loads of article's about it ;-)

But this is the best one I read so far....

http://russia-insider.com/en/how-ukrain ... rs/ri13548
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Re: The Croatian AF Mig.21 soap story continues...

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I haven't quite followed this story, but the link mentioned above is a Russian website, placing Ukraine in a bad light. So, I would not take this article too seriously beforehand.
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Not only in the Russian news papers..... you can find enough about this all over the internet ;-)
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The "Russia-Insider" is certainly not "impartial/unbiased/neutral news media",
but indeed there is something quite "fishy"/"smelly" around this Mig-21 deal with Ukraine.

The best sources are probably mostly in the Croatian-language media.
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SirGunHo wrote:Not only in the Russian news papers..... you can find enough about this all over the internet ;-)
Recently spoken with a Croation groundcrew officer... there are a lot unpleasant things going on with the ''new' MiG-21's. At least... something is very wrong indeed.
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Ouch, an expensive lesson for Croatia...

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The Dutch phrase "omgekatte auto's" springs to mind. Oh dear... :shock:

http://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrvatska ... a/4119954/
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https://translate.google.com/translate? ... edit-text=
NO REPRESENTATIONS SERIAL NUMBERS

NEW DETAILS IN AFFAIR REPAIR AIRCRAFT IN MIG IDs are equipped with the engines of unknown origin

POSTED: 01.06.2016. at 12:00


The serial numbers on the engines of the aircraft do not correspond to those specified in the documentation provided by the Ukrainian Institute gave our Ministry of Defence


Two engines, which are located in the MiG-21 to these that Croatia bought in Ukraine are of unknown origin.

That is, the serial numbers on the engines do not match the numbers that are listed in the accompanying documentation by the Ukrainian Institute UKRSPECEXPORT submitted to the Ministry of Defense,
reports Jutarnji List.

Until this information came USKOK employees who conduct investigations and procurement overhaul MiG-performed in Ukraine.
According to Jutarnji List, USKOK through international assistance addressed by the Bulgarian authorities to gather information on the purchased planes.

As Jutarnji already written, the investigation has so far found that the carcasses aircraft that were sold Croatia originating from Bulgaria.

As we found out, the Bulgarian side has confirmed that this is a hulls aircraft used by the Bulgarian army until 1998,
when they stopped using planes,
and three years later the local army were written off.

Life-threatening pilots

In 2003, hulls and aircraft engines were sold at the Ukrainian Institute UKRSPECEXPORT who had apparently bought working parts.

What is still going on with them, is not known.
According to unofficial information, most likely it comes to aircraft hulls that Bulgaria officially notified NATO that it was destroyed. :?

So the question remains how they are sold to Ukraine.
According to the data that has USKOK, the sale has provided a Bulgarian company,
but the Bulgarian authorities do not have any information about that company.
Apparently there is no written record of it.

It is now established that at least two planes built engines whose origin is unknown.
It is not known what their resources are, how old they are, how they had hours of flight time.

Resources engine shall be determined on the basis of flight hours.

After 450 hours of flight engines go for repairs.

If the data on hours of flight time are not known or do not match the real situation, the plane is dangerous for life pilots and should not be used.

As Jutarnji already written in previous investigations it was found that the fuselage originating unit inside Bulgaria older four to five years than what the documents.

Furthermore, the aircraft hulls are "typed" serial numbers and added new.

Now in turn found that engines in two of the five purchased aircraft of unknown origin.
In addition to hulls and two engines, documentation is not liable built wings that are native to Algeria.

The investigation of the military police

The investigation into the purchase of 5 and overhaul 12 MiG-opened three months ago after continuous failures only reconditioned aircraft.

The investigation was launched by the Military Police, and then all the documents submitted to the State Attorney's Office and USKOK to jointly determine what the MiGs Croatia actually bought and remortgaged 132.9 million.

The investigation is partly hampered by the use of international assistance, for which require a certain time.

Five-bought plane

Once the investigation is initiated, all five MiG-purchased in Ukraine is grounded and waiting for the end of the investigation.

According to available information, the Air Force at this time on a daily basis has to have four or five aircraft, of which two are used to control the airspace of NATO.

Agreement between the Ministry of Defense and the Ukrainian Institute agreed to purchase five MiG-located in Ukraine and overhaul of 12 aircraft, seven of which are owned by the Croatian Air Force.

Even then, the five MiGs were controversial.

A year earlier just Jutarnji list first announced that Ukraine offers Croatia eight MiG-who actually are not their property but the property of the state of Yemen.

Ukrainian authorities claimed that the planes and their ownership of the Ukrainian Ambassador handed over the Ministry of Defence statement about it.

On the other hand, the commander of Yemen's air force sent a letter to the Ministry of Defence in which he stated that the planes in their property, but the Committee of Ministry of Defence to the letter declared false and concluded the deal with Ukraine.
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They dont use SAP for maintenance?
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SAP: Sandlaufer Anschau Programm..........., like my long time living in Germany Dutch friend working foor SAP Germany states.
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:lol:
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