Embraer 190 accident in Kazachstan.... Shot at!

[Stratofreighter]

Embraer 190 accident in Kazachstan.... Shot down or otherwise ?

....see
https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/468275

Date: Wednesday 25 December 2024
Time: 06:28 UTC
Type: Embraer ERJ-190AR
Owner/operator: Azerbaijan Airlines
Registration: 4K-AZ65

[michel N]

You can delete the “accident”. It was shot at near Grozny, tail damaged, which caused the crash

[Stratofreighter]

You can delete the “accident”. It was shot at near Grozny, tail damaged, which caused the crash

...hmmmm, interesting indeed....
https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close- ... st11793707
and scroll down for images.
Shrapnel damage

[Stratofreighter]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/28/asia ... index.html

Putin apologizes for ‘tragic’ Azerbaijan Airlines crash, without admitting responsibility

Updated 8:43 AM EST, Sat December 28, 2024

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 024-12-28/

Putin apologises to Azerbaijan's Aliyev over 'tragic incident' with plane in Russian airspace

December 28, 20242:23 PM GMT+1

https://www.dw.com/en/putin-azerbaijan- ... a-71176556

The Kremlin statement, published on Saturday,
says Putin offered his apologies that this incident "happened in the Russian airspace."

"During this time, Grozny, (the town of) Mozdok and Vladikavkaz were being attacked by Ukrainian combat drones
and Russian air defense was repelling these attacks," the Kremlin said Putin told Aliyev.

However, the statement does not explicitly say that the plane wasshot down by a Russian missile.

[hammarö]

The Embraer aircraft very likely from beginning lost position because of GPS disturbance.

The planned landing position in Mozdok area has several times been "droned" by Ukrainan drones.

The Mozdok air base also been used by Russian air defence missile systems. The SAM systems was taken out of area in hurry.

[Key]

The Embraer aircraft very likely from beginning lost position because of GPS disturbance.

Not sure if you mean that literally, but an airliner does not lose its position without GPS. There is still radio navigation (via beacons) and the inertial navigation system. Any airliner should be able to reach its destination fine without GPS but of course, you cannot do a GPS approach.

It appears they tried the NDB (V) approach into Grozny rwy 26 but went missed twice. This is plaudible seeing the approach minima and the reported weather, it was marginal at best. The ILS was apparently out of service.


Erik

[hammarö]

The situation was very hostile with drone attacks and different kinds of electronic disturbances on high level. Not just GPS disturbance. Several sources claims outer disturbance of "outer sources" than the unfurtunate unlucky aircraft.

Ukraine use several types of drones who "came in" from several directions on target.

In area is several large electronic "sigint and electronic" very large stations. Both the General Staff and several of the security services have this kind av stations in area each. One outside Stavropol and one at Temfryuk and others. At least 5 statellite stations also. They only not only listen, they perform electronic warfare. This is air warfare, with civil aircraft involved.

[Key]

Yes. But inertial navigation works independently from any outside influence. Moreover, they were in contact with ATC, reached their destination, carried out two approaches and even managed to divert with a crippled airplane after being shot at. All of that proves the crew knew where they were. It is also almost certain that ATC was well aware of their position and that the crew used radio navigation aids at least for the approaches.

This was indeed a complex, quickly developing situation and it had a terrible outcome. But the statement I quoted makes no sense for two reasons: 1) an airliner is not dependent on GPS for its position and 2) there is ample indication (if not evidence) that the crew knew where they were during the flight.

I hope we can agree on that.
Erik

[hammarö]

Read this and you understand what I say.

The aircraft has been hit and was full of fragments from a missile. like MH-17, From the beginning probably with disturbed GPS. Were is not about something with internal.

The aircraft has send out 7700.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTUqgGMMXV8

Max Villman is not talking English, but use much English text and maps with also English text. He is a former Gripen pilot.

[Key]

Topic title adapted and one post moved to better fitting topic.

Erik