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Hi,
Today I took a picture of the F-86K at the gate from TwentheAB......
They started to dismantel the Sabre... :cry:
Here she is in better times
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and in bad times (as is the wetter)
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She will be moved to the MLM in zeist/soesterberg in the coming weeks!

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hmm..now the real definitive end is really near....

why not bring it to Gilze.. (Historical flight? :lol: )
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(Historical flight? )
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES 8) :D :lol: :wink:

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I don't think so... because of the fact that the airframe wasn't consumed as for example the aircraft at AMARC. Everything in the airframe is exposed to weather influences. They have to rebuild the whole airframe from scratch... don't think that you wanna see the price tag on that ;)
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I know, I was only joking.. besides, it is the only genuine ex KLu F-86K left, so it would take a long discussion to decide if it were worth the gamble... In my opinion it would be quite appropriate to restore Q-283 and put her on display inside the museum instead of the fake Sabre they have now...

(Should the KHF want a jet, the Fokker S.14 for which they have a reg reserved would be even more interetring I think...
And as a sidestep, I have always wondered why there isn't an airworthy F-84 in europe as many countries flew them and it would be a welcome gueast at airshows throughout Europe...)
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Last week i read at the soesterbergforum that the Kaasjager is going to Soesterberg.....http://www.scramble.nl/forum/viewtopic. ... d5013b08f2
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Polecat wrote: And as a sidestep, I have always wondered why there isn't an airworthy F-84 in europe as many countries flew them and it would be a welcome gueast at airshows throughout Europe...)
We then have to please the Greece Air Force probably, they were the last operator in Europe :)
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Polecat wrote:And as a sidestep, I have always wondered why there isn't an airworthy F-84 in europe as many countries flew them and it would be a welcome gueast at airshows throughout Europe...)
Would have liked to see that too... I grew up with them (and "lead sleds"/T-33's) as my parents lived under the approach of the old, east/west runway at Eindhoven :shock:

The main reason for this is that the F-84's engine is -or rather, WAS- notoriously unreliable. While that was acceptable in the fifties and sixties in military, Cold War, settings, it would NEVER meet today's airworthyness and safety-requirements (and insurance-requirements, for that matter) :cry:

If I remember correctly, they tried to restore an ex-Belgian F-84F in the UK in the late seventies or early eighties, but ran into precisely these problems. To make an F-84 fly safely these days, it would mean re-engining the beast with a more reliable engine. Needless to say, this would mean redesigning the plane somewhat and would be a VERY expensive thing to do.
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I know, but so is restauring a P-40 from a wreck that has been lying in a tundra for 60 years or a Ju-52 from a Norwegian Fjord.. And the stormbirds Me-262's with new engines fly very well :-)

I guess it all just comes down to money, but nothing is impossible....
Asfar as I know the Fokker S.14 is a serious option and that would be very nice if u ask me...
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Polecat wrote:I know, but so is restauring a P-40 from a wreck that has been lying in a tundra for 60 years or a Ju-52 from a Norwegian Fjord.. And the stormbirds Me-262's with new engines fly very well :-)

I guess it all just comes down to money, but nothing is impossible....
Asfar as I know the Fokker S.14 is a serious option and that would be very nice if u ask me...
The Stormbird 262's are brand new aircraft that were designed with the new engines from the start and have thus been certified for airworthyness. Recertifying a F-84 with a modern engine would be very expensive if all those costs have to be recovered on just a single airframe. It's also a matter of intererest, there is a lot more interest in the WW2 warbirds then in the coldwar ones. Also in england a lot of lottery money is used for this sort of stuff. Here that money is mainly given to africa to buy guns and kill each other with.
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Post by Brian »

welcome in holland.. the country of all those bureaucracy and little rules like polution and noise reduction...

Look at Norway for example.. there restoring an F-104 to make it airworthy again. This would never happen here due to all those little rules. too bad :(
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