uploading & showing poor quality pics @ scramble

[FALCONCREST]

I've got a question.
More and more people seem to think that uploading picas on this site is an achievement in itself.
I see very unsharp, poor quality, plenty the same shots from one and the same aircraft and so on passing on the Aviation Photo Forum.
Is it me being to grumpy?
Or do more people think a small "self-examination" of the pics before uploading is a valid consideration in this case ?

[evhest]

This has been discussed before, but I agree one hunderd percent with you.

[marcel32us]

Fully agreed, but what ya gonna do?

If you tell those people they feel insulted. Most often heard reaction to any comment that is not positive: You don't have to look.

Point should rather be: you don't have to upload.

Marcel

[Alpha Kilo One]

That's just the reason my photos do not show up.
Why uploading when not adding extra pleasure.

It is like Idols, some people have to be said they are not fit for the job

Ronald

[Redskin]

Kijk ook eens naar de andere kant van het verhaal,
veel slechte kwaliteit fotos komen van beginnende fotografen af die hier trots hun eerste geschoten plaatjes willen tonen. Als ze dan meteen worden afgezeken door iedereen hier (zonder opbouwende kritiek, want dat moet altijd kunnen) is de kans klein dat ze ooit nog eens iets posten.
Het kan ook zo zijn dat ze tips willen krijgen om te verbeteren. Kijk als voorbeeld eens naar sommige hier, de eeste plaaten die ze hebben geplaatst waren om te janken, maar nu schieten ze plaaten waar sommige jaloers op zijn (o.a. door de opbouwende kritiek en tips die ze hier hebben gehad).

[Thijs]

It is like Idols, some people have to be said they are not fit for the job

Maybe we need a Gordon, Gert Jan Smits and Jerney Kaagman....any volunteers?

As moderators we don't screen on quality, or it has to be very poor quality. As a regular visitor to the photo forum I have also seen some improvement by some guys. Maybe because of this photo forum...

Everyone is free to give his opinion, if it is in a "normal" way. Feel free to tell them their pictures are of bad quality. In my opinion the photo forum is to show your pics and get feedback. Feedback can improve your pictures. And by showing your pics in the photo forum, everybody is allowed to give his opinion, negative or positive. If you only want positive feedback, just show your pictures to your girlfriend or mother

And about the reaction "you don't have to look", if you really care about your pictures you want to improve....

@Redskin, totally agree, but I do think Johan means the "you don't have to look" guys.

[Iwan Bogels]

Hi Johan,

I agree with you. Sometimes I try to give fundamental advise, when I think it's worth it. Unfortunately not everybody can handle critisim, not even when it's meant to be constructive. I think the X-factor example says it all. Some people just don't want to believe the jury and think they know better.

If we all send some advise every now and then, I'm sure the quality of the published pictures is going to improve.

Cheers,
Iwan

[warthog64]

Het kan ook zo zijn dat ze tips willen krijgen om te verbeteren. Kijk als voorbeeld eens naar sommige hier, de eeste plaaten die ze hebben geplaatst waren om te janken, maar nu schieten ze plaaten waar sommige jaloers op zijn (o.a. door de opbouwende kritiek en tips die ze hier hebben gehad)


take Jimmy van drunen for instance,... first pic's were not so good, and now they are wonderfull!

[Redskin]

nu wou ik geen namen noemen maar hij is inderdaad iemand die ik bedoel.

[Delta12]

Kijk zelf is naar je eerste foto's. Als ik zie wat ik toen ik net mijn eerste point en shoot cameratje had wat ik naar Airliners.net wou uploaden... Oeiii Maar over het algemeen gaat dat vrij snel over en schiet je al best aardige plaatjes. Maar ik snap wat mensen hier bedoelen ik kijk niet op de forum omdat er altijd denderende foto's opstaan vaak stelt het teleur. Maar dat hoort erbij.

Je ziet in het begin zelf gewoon niet wat je fout doet. Dat is een feit, je ben al heel snel onder de indruk van wat die camera voor jou op de gevoelige plaat heeft vast gelegd. Tot dat je van andere hoort dat het eigenlijk troep is. En dan zul je echt moeten gaan experimenteren en daar komt het spreekwoord 'Door schade en schande wordt men wijs' om de hoek kijken.

Ik vind ik het maar zo raar dat men altijd maar een DSLR moet hebben. Zelfs als ze niet eens weten wat de woorden zoals ISO en Diafragma en Sluitertijd. Laat staan wat het met elkaar te maken heeft.

Wees echt kritisch voor je zelf. Want niet alle 200 fotos die je gemaakt heb zijn goed genoeg.
Kijk, leer & Experimenteer!

[FALCONCREST]

Thanks everybody for the nice & constructive comments.

Maybe, maybe a photosection "X-factor photography" can be added. Photo's uploaded in this section are there to be judged by others. Positive and/or negative.
Only after +10 positive comments or points this person can upload photo's to the other photo-sections.
Can work both ways: improving someone's photo skills by the given comments.
And the overall quality of the photo-sections might improve. And, the comments and discussions from the jury (being everybody else ) can add fun to this topic.

[dj_ad]

Sometimes I wonder if people drop their picuters unprocessed here on the
forum just to be the first of that day or the first to have a certain aircraft
on the forum?

[blu109]

Thats the reason that scramble has less visitors. and websites like millspotters are more popular.

[FALCONCREST]

Sometimes I wonder if people drop their picuters unprocessed here on the
forum just to be the first of that day or the first to have a certain aircraft
on the forum?

So did I with last Rossia Il-96. 5mins after touchdown processed on this forum. Like to be first, but kept quality matters in my mind. So the challenge should be: first one with processed or proper shot gets the reward.http://www.scramble.nl/forum/viewtopic. ... 59#p395559

[Bendavid2]

Topic like this helps me also a lot. I also count myself as someone who learns a lot by posting pictures here (and on a.net). What I also prefer is criticism on picture very hard. I don't mind you make me cry and next week I show you better pictures.
But off-course any picture could better and you can always learn.

I also agree to separate the photo area in 2 parts. Just like a.net and myAvation.net, planespotter.net heeft HQ en all accept and eosdigitaal.nl has 3 parts I thought.

What the previous poster said I agree also. I and I am sure others also agree to help young beginning photographers.

What I also like is comment by picture not as the comment here. But like SilverWingPix and Andras did here.