PIC: crashed Indonesian CASA 212 this Thursday was PK-TLF...

[Stratofreighter]

http://aviation-safety.net/database/rec ... 20110929-0 already lists PK-TLF of
Nusantara Buana Air.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15103104

[flying_kiwi]

There are reports that someone has been seen alive at the wreckage (which is still fairly intact). However as rescue teams still haven't been able to reach the site, there isn't any confirmation.

Photo of the wreckage can be found on AvHerald:
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=443b0de7&opt=0

[flying_kiwi]

Rescue teams were finally able to reach the wreckage today, and unfortunately found no survivors.
All victims were found in their seats, and no external doors had been opened, so it would appear that all were killed on impact.

[mart]

Is it not a bit strange that the crash was soft enough to not tear the aircraft apart entirely, but hard enough to kill all occupants in their seats?
Looking at the picture I would certainly expect a few survivors, just the fact that they are all dead "in their seats" sounds so strange to me.


**was just reading the atricle on the website linked above, and it seems I am not the only one who finds it funny.

The SAR center reported on Saturday (Oct 1st) that 16 rescuers were able to reach the wreckage on a steep slope of about 70 degrees at about 5000-6000 feet of elevation. None of the aircraft doors had been opened, the aircraft had sustained substantial damage to its front section as well as the aft section at the belly, presumably from impact with the slope at about 140 knots. All occupants were found dead in their seats. Whether they died from impact or other reasons needs to be investigated.

[flying_kiwi]

Is it not a bit strange that the crash was soft enough to not tear the aircraft apart entirely, but hard enough to kill all occupants in their seats?
Looking at the picture I would certainly expect a few survivors, just the fact that they are all dead "in their seats" sounds so strange to me.

It may be strange, but imagine that the crew at the very last second saw the mountainside in front of them, and pulled up.
The nose would pitch up, but the aircraft would still have a lot of forward momentum, causing it to hit belly first with little forward speed relative to the slope. The nose section and the belly of the aircraft would take the brunt of the impact. As the human body is poor at surviving high vertical forces, this type of impact would likely be fatal.

I'm not saying that this is what happened, but it's certainly a possibility which would explain how the aircraft seems relatively intact from above, but with all onboard dead.

[flying_kiwi]

The Indonesian Transport Ministry has now suspended the AOC of Nusantara Buana, after an audit performed after last weeks crash.

Although unfortunate for the operator, it certainly is good to see the Indonesian authorities taking a strong approach to aviation safety despite being on the EU blacklist.

Flightglobal Report

[Optimus]

The Indonesian Transport Ministry has now suspended the AOC of Nusantara Buana, after an audit performed after last weeks crash.

Although unfortunate for the operator, it certainly is good to see the Indonesian authorities taking a strong approach to aviation safety despite being on the EU blacklist.

Flightglobal Report

Quoting myself from last year's Dubai civvie movements-list as we suffered a 24-hour delay on Garuda's AMS-DXB-CGK flight:

As we couldn't get back airside (as our boarding passes said October 23rd, I can't blame them), we went to the Garuda office to ask what's going on, as we wanted to know at what time we would be able to get new boarding passes for our flight. The station manager told us we had to wait until 4.30pm and even said the following remarkable sentence: "You know, in the past we would simply put some tape over the leak and proceed."

Did I mention my wife is somewhat afraid of flying? Well, this remark didn't really help

Just my 2 cents, but it is indeed necessary that the Indonesian authorities are taking stronger measures, as you also need to educate the people first about the do's and don'ts in aviation safety, otherwise it will be time (and lives unfortunately) wasted. Not to mention the wasted money due to the wellspread corruption. As pleasant as Indonesia may be, they really need to crack down the corruption.

Kees