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UPDATE: US Marines buying those 72 stored British Harriers..

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...but not just for spare parts. The USMC may actually want them to fly F-18D type missions... :idea:
U.S. To Buy Decommissioned British Harrier Jets

Published: 13 Nov 2011 12:13

WASHINGTON and LONDON - Britain has agreed to sell all of its 74 decommissioned Harrier jump jets, along with engines and spare parts, to the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps -
a move expected to help the Marines operate Harriers into the mid-2020s and provide extra planes to replace aging two-seat F-18D Hornet strike fighters.

Rear Adm. Mark Heinrich, chief of the U.S. Navy's Supply Corps, confirmed the two-part deal Nov. 10 during a conference in New York sponsored by Bank of America Merrill Lynch in association with Defense News.

Heinrich negotiated the $50 million purchase of all Harrier spare parts, while Rear Adm. Donald Gaddis, the U.S. Navy's program executive officer for tactical aircraft, is overseeing discussions to buy the Harrier aircraft and their Rolls-Royce engines, Heinrich said.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence in London confirmed the Disposal Services Agency was in talks with the U.S. Navy for the sale of the Harriers. The deal had yet to be concluded, he said Nov. 11.

Britain retired its joint force of Royal Air Force and Royal Navy Harrier aircraft late last year in one of the most controversial moves of the defense reductions, which also cut the aircraft carriers that operated the jets, other warships, maritime patrol planes and personnel.

Most of the retired Harriers are stored at the Royal Air Force base at Cottesmore, England.

They have been undergoing minimum fleet maintenance, including anti-deterioration measures, in order to keep them airworthy, Heinrich said.

A spokesman for the U.S. Navy's Naval Air Systems Command declined Nov. 11 to comment on the deal, deferring to the British military.

An MoD source said Nov. 11 that he thought both deals could be signed in the next week or two.

The MoD source confirmed that the entire fleet of 74 Harrier aircraft was involved in the sale.

Heinrich noted that payment details were the only outstanding issue on the parts deal discussions, and he said the purchase will give the U.S. Marines a relatively economical way to get their hands on key components to keep the Harrier fleet running.

While it is unusual for the U.S. to buy used foreign military aircraft for operation, integration of the British planes into Marine Corps squadrons shouldn't be a major problem, one expert said.

"I don't think it will be costly to rip out the Brit systems" and replace them with Marine gear, said Lon Nordeen, author of several books on the Harrier.

Nordeen noted that the British GR 9 and 9As are similar in configuration to the Marines' AV-8B night attack version, which make up about a third of U.S. Harriers.

The British planes also are night planes dedicated to air-ground attack, he said, and while both types carry Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR) sensors, neither is fitted with a multimode radar such as the APG-65 carried by U.S. AV-8B+ models.

The absence of the big radar, Nordeen said, makes the GR 9A and AV-8Bs "a better-performing plane. Weighing less, it's more of a hot rod."

British GR 9s, although upgraded with improved avionics and weapons, are powered by the Rolls-Royce Mark 105 Pegasus engine.

GR 9As have the more powerful Mark 107, similar to the Rolls-Royce F402-RR-408s that power Marine AV-8Bs.

British and U.S. Harrier II aircraft had a high degree of commonality from their origin. The planes were developed and built in a joint arrangement between British Aerospace - now BAE Systems - and McDonnell Douglas, now a division of Boeing. While each company built its own wings, all forward sections of the British and American Harrier IIs were built by McDonnell in St. Louis, Mo., while British Aerospace built the fuselage sections aft of the cockpit.

"All the planes have to fit together," Nordeen said.

The Harrier IIs, built between 1980 and 1995, "are still quite serviceable," he said.

"The aircraft are not that far apart. We're taking advantage of all the money the Brits have spent on them. It's like we're buying a car with maybe 15,000 miles on it."

Operationally, Nordeen said, "these are very good platforms.
They need upgrades, but on bombing missions they have the ability to incorporate the Litening II targeting pod [used by U.S. aircraft]. They're good platforms. And we've already got trained pilots."

Marine Corps Harriers are to be phased out by 2025, when replacement by new F-35B Joint Strike Fighters should be complete.

Nordeen, however, said he expects the British Harriers to be used initially to replace two-seat Marine F-18D Hornet fighters now operated in the night attack role.

"The F-18Ds are more worn out than the Harriers," Nordeen said.
"Most of the conversions [of ex-British aircraft] early on will be to replace 18Ds and not Harriers." He noted the first Marine F-35B squadron already is slated to replace an F-18D unit.

Nordeen applauded the move.

"I would see this as a good bargain to extend the operational utility of the Harrier II fleet, no matter what," he said.
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Re: CONFIRMED: US Marines to buy 72 stored British Harriers...

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USMC buys British Harrier Fleet

The UK MoD has confirmed that 72 of the 74 recently retired Harriers have been sold to the US Marine Corps.

November 24: The UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) has confirmed that 72 of the 74 recently retired Royal Air Force and Royal Navy Harriers have been sold to the US Marine Corps (USMC).

The deal amounts to $180 million (around £110 million), says the MoD.

Just two of the 74 aircraft will be retained to “be offered to museums in order to preserve the Royal Navy’s military heritage”, adds the MoD.

Details of the proposed sale were originally confirmed by a report in the US Navy’s online edition of Navy Times on November 13. That report stated that Rear Admiral Mark F Heinrich, Commander, Naval Supply Systems Command and Chief of Supply Corps, had revealed that negotiations were under way when talking at the Bank of America Merrill Lynch Defense Outlook Forum in New York on November 10.

Heinrich said that the sale will be a two-part deal with the UK MoD’s Disposal Services Agency.

He is personally negotiating a planned $50 million contract for the entire Harrier spares inventory, while Rear Admiral Donald Gaddis, Program Executive Officer Tactical Aircraft, is in charge of completing the discussions on purchasing the aircraft and engines, now confirmed as around $130 million.

Following their retirement in December 2010 (see Sun Sets on the Harrier, February, p4), the aircraft have been stored at RAF Cottesmore in Rutland.

They have been undergoing minimum fleet maintenance to keep them in a saleable condition. Heinrich noted that they will give the USMC a relatively economical way of acquiring spares to keep its own AV-8B fleet fully operational until phase-out by 2025.

It is planned that some of the Harriers will be kept flying and used to replace the USMC’s now ageing F/A-18D Hornets and it is likely that delays to the F-35B Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter programme for the Marines has also prompted the interest in the British aircraft.

All the Harriers at Cottesmore are required to be moved before formal hand-over to the British Army on April 1, 2012, and it is expected that they will be moved by road to Southampton dock where they will be loaded onto container ships for transit to America.

It is understood that specially-designed crates will be used to minimise the dismantling of each aircraft, which will be restricted to the removal of the main wing.

The USMC currently operates 131 AV-8B(R)+ specification Harriers and 17 TAV-8B twin-seat trainers, delivered from September 1985.

All the TAV-8Bs have undergone the AV-8 Trainer Upgrade Programme (T-UP), which includes new wiring, new back-up battery, enhanced night vision capabilities, avionics improvements and replacement of the F406 engine with the more powerful F408.

It is expected that the RAF Harrier T12s will be of particular interest to the USMC as potential airworthy aircraft to bolster its small twin-seater fleet.
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