USAF indeed to scrap her part in C-27J programme...

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USAF indeed to scrap her part in C-27J programme...

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http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/ ... ck-112111/
C-27J may be on chopping block

Posted : Monday Nov 21, 2011 8:56:14 EST

The Air Force wants to cut the C-27J cargo plane program to save money.

An internal Air Force recommendation to scrap the C-27J program in its yet-to-be-finalized 2013 budget draft has touched a nerve within the Army, which once ran the program, and the Air National Guard, which now operates the twin-turboprop planes.

In the coming weeks, the Deputy’s Management Action Group, or DMAG, led by Deputy Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, will direct the Air Force to fund the 38-aircraft program of record or cancel it, according to two defense officials with knowledge of the plans.

They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about internal budget decisions.

The decision not to continue the program in 2013 is part of a Pentagon effort to cut more than $450 billion in planned spending over the next decade.

If the program is canceled, it is unclear what would happen to the aircraft now being flown in combat by the Air National Guard.

The C-27J program — dubbed the Joint Cargo Aircraft — is now run by the Air Force.
The planes are flown by the Air National Guard to deliver critical supplies to troops on the battlefield as needed.

Historically, the Army has flown these missions with the C-23 Sherpa, a Reagan-era aircraft that is reaching the end of its service life.

The Army selected the C-27J in 2007. The Pentagon’s original plan called for buying 78 aircraft — 54 for the Army, 24 for the Air Force.

But in 2009, the Defense Department shifted the program to the Air Force, which reduced the planned buy to 38 aircraft.

At the time, the Air Force committed to flying the Army direct-support mission. Twenty-one aircraft have been purchased.

The shift was met with skepticism within the Army, where many officials voiced worry that the Air Force would kill the program, much like it did in the 1960s when it took over the Army’s fixed-wing C-7 Caribou program.

“The impact of this decision was bad and immediate,” Air Force Maj. Gen. Tod Bunting and Army Maj. Gen. Jessica Wright, then chair and vice chair of the National Guard Association of the United States, wrote in October 2009.

“Remote bases and outposts found themselves continually running short of supplies because the Air Force couldn’t or wouldn’t fly to the same locations that Army aviators routinely supported with the C-7,” they wrote.

“Eventually, the Air Force returned the Caribous and their mission back to the Army.”

During the past three weeks, senior Air Force officials have been hinting at the pending C-27J program termination, defense and industry officials said.

During recent congressional testimony, Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz and Gen. Philip Breedlove, the air service’s vice chief, pledged to support the Army’s direct support mission with either C-27Js or C-130s, built by Lockheed Martin.

“If that mission is to be done with C-27s or C-130s is a decision that is still pending and is a part of this ongoing budget review,” Breedlove said at an Oct. 27 House Armed Services readiness subcommittee hearing. “But that will be worked out in the next few months.”

Breedlove would not specifically address the aircraft in question, but Gen. Peter Chiarelli, the Army vice chief of staff, said his service “is very committed to the C-27.”

“We feel it fills a gap,” he said.

Chiarelli also said the aircraft “provides a tremendous capability for homeland defense, and that is one of the things that was critical about the C-27 and its ability to get into airfields here in the United States that other aircraft can’t get into in the event of homeland defense kinds of missions.”

Schwartz said at a Nov. 2 House Armed Services Committee hearing that any decisions relating to the program’s future would be tied to the DoD-wide comprehensive review that will inform budget cuts across the next 10 years.
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Please do not spread rumours in the news section. Altough this is a very strong rumour, no final decision is taken yet. If every rumour proposed by a xx-star general on the www is quoted in this part of this forum the JSF would be scrapped, the F-15/F-16 and F-22 retired, USAFE disbanded etc. Please stick to facts, how strong rumours may be.

Fact is that 23rd November 2011 the impact of the $450 billion defense cut should be announced. For sure bases will be closed, aircraft will be reitired etc otherwise it is impossible to realise the cut. Yesterday there was announced that their is no agreement yet between comittee of Democrates (6) and Republicans (6) who must make the decision, making the 23rd November deadline for the decision document unsure.

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wamovements wrote:Please do not spread rumours in the news section. Altough this is a very strong rumour, no final decision is taken yet. If every rumour proposed by a xx-star general on the www is quoted in this part of this forum the JSF would be scrapped, the F-15/F-16 and F-22 retired, USAFE disbanded etc. Please stick to facts, how strong rumours may be.

Fact is that 23rd November 2011 the impact of the $450 billion defense cut should be announced. For sure bases will be closed, aircraft will be reitired etc otherwise it is impossible to realise the cut. Yesterday there was announced that their is no agreement yet between comittee of Democrates (6) and Republicans (6) who must make the decision, making the 23rd November deadline for the decision document unsure.

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Okay Dennis, I trust you will be able to put timely, accurate information on this particular messageboard when it becomes available...
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Even better, as the Scramble USAF editor I will write it in the Scramble Magazine :-)
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Internet is quicker than paper... :twisted:
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Stratofreighter wrote:Internet is quicker than paper... :twisted:
:mrgreen:

clearly, this above text is info that was 'leaked'.
You may not like it, or you may like it, but that is news also.
Rumours...Stratofreighter may be a rumour spreading fruitcake in your mind, but half of all news in the 'real media world' is speculative, so why should he not drop this item in this forum?!!
In fact, hard facts is old news. Soft facts is news-in-the making. Hope you have got an open mind... :wink:

Want to put a 'voorbehoud' / diclaimer below it, please do, but you seem to be trying to be a censor now in a free forum.
That is scary dude! We live in a free country, remember that, be proud of it and uphold it. PLEASE.
(And do in your newssection of scramble what you want, that is up to you.)

THE VERDICT:
perhaps mr. strato can re-name his topic-title:
(USAF-Leaky:) USAF C-27J programme may be scrapped (indefenitly).
instead of "USAF wants"
That's accurate enough to even please 'the offended', i guess.
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wamovements wrote:Yesterday there was announced that their is no agreement yet between comittee of Democrates (6) and Republicans (6) who must make the decision, making the 23rd November deadline for the decision document unsure.

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Nothing unsure. This is not a Vulcan-type deadline, this is a real deadly one. If (and both parties have already announced this is going to happen) they don't reach an agreement, all programs will be cut be 25% by law already in place. The committee was only in place to give Congress a final chance to have this not happening (in which they apparently failed).
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Probably to much weight is added to my (personal) opinion. Ofcourse we want as much info spread, including on the scramble forum. But there are probably better places for rumours on this forum than the news section. I only try to post facts in the news part and I prefer posting rumours in t praethuys and or tattle lounge part of this forum. Ofcourse internet is faster medium than a paper version but I was only reffering to the place where I will post the information i've got and that is in the magazine!!!

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You are right about the 25% but as buildings can not be build or paid for 75% there might be some shifting.

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Some good news about the C-27J programme. It made its first combat drop over Afghanistan:

http://www.sldinfo.com/the-c-27-j-airdr ... ghanistan/
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http://www.defense.gov/news/Defense_Bud ... rities.pdf
Example: The new strategic guidance emphasizes flexibility and adaptability. The C-27J was developed and procured to provide a niche capability to directly support Army urgent needs in difficult environments such as Afghanistan where we thought the C-130 might not be able to operate effectively.

However, in practice, we did not experience the anticipated airfield constraints for C-130 operations in Afghanistan (STRAWMAN) and expect these constraints to be marginal in future scenarios.

Since we have ample inventory of C-130s and the current cost to own and operate them is lower (BS), we no longer need-nor can we afford-a niche capability like the C-27J aircraft. The Air Force and the Army will establish joint doctrine relating to direct support.
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