W&R Chateaudun + Paris area

[erik_kamphuis]

Creil 22 june 2012:

All seen during an excellent basevisit by PANORAVIA.

Preserved:
Super Mystere B2 139/10-RE/10-SE at gate
Mirage 4P 59/CF behind gate
CM-170 c/n 401 pres near BCRE-hangar, PdF c/s
Mirage 3R (322/TB) in dispersal (upside down?)
Mirage 3E (565) EC3-mks, in dispersal
Jaguar A A41/7-DE BRCE (travel exh.), sand c/s, on truck
Cap.10B (101?)/VT BCRE (travel exh.), in hangar
SE.3130 1x BCRE (travel exh.), in hangar

Does BCRE have only one Alouette 2 as travel exhibit? Than is should be 171/341-HV ?
The blue Fouga behind the hangar used to be unknown, so c/n 401 was checked in cockpit.
The Cap is a problem, only code VT could be read and it was told by the base that it was a recruting aircraft (BCRE). 101 used to be coded VT and a BCRE aircraft, but EMOOS gives 101 now coded YT at Bordeaux (l/n 2010). Scramble DB says 101 coded VT also at Bordeaux. There is/was another Cap.10 coded VT, serial 2 used for instructions in Avord (’85-’92). Anyone??


Chateaudun Air Base June 22nd 2012

Seen at a friday evening from outside the base. Good sun, no guards, even good for pictures of the German runway line.
All serials/codes in brackets were not read by us and assumed from previous reports.

Preserved:
Jaguar A (A43/7-HF) near tower, HQ building
Jaguar A (A154/11-YN) near tower, HQ building
Mirage 3RD 367/33-TP outside gate at pole
Mirage F1C (10/12-ZD) near tower, white spec. c/s
Mirage F1C (49/30-MQ) between hangars, visible from outside
S.Mystere B2 (79/10-RH) at officers mess outside base
N2501SNA 171 pres on ramp
Vautour 2B (615)/92-AK with HQ building
CM-170 (464) inside main gate PdF c/s

BDRT area Nivouville site EETRDC64.600
all parked in L-shape;
Mirage 3 ? 4x fintip visible behind earth wall
Mirage 2000B (515/5-OG)
Jaguar A (A33/7-HL)
Jaguar A (A40/O)
Mirage F1C ? white flash on tail
C-160F (F16/61-MK) fuselage, camo c/s
C-160R (R100/61-ZR) fuselage, camo c/s
C-160R (R46/61-MR) fuselage, grey (near M2000B)
Is the Mirage F-1C with white flash on tail maybe 33 or 68, previous reported here?

Nivouville site
CM-170 484
Jaguar A A2(/11-RA)
N262D 64/(AA)
N262D 66/AB
N262D 68/(AC)
N262D 76/(316-DA)
N262D 77/(AK)
N262D 80/(AW)
N262D 83/(316-DB)
N262D 87/(316-DC)
N262D 91/(AT)
N262D 92/(316-DE)
N262D 94/(AU)
N262D 105/(AE)
N262D 106/(AY)
N262D 107/(AX)
N262D 108/(AG)
N262D 109/(AM)
N262D 110/(AS) +1
So N262 81, 88 and 93 were not seen by us!
C-160R (RA04/61-MS) fuselage
C-160R (RA06)/61-ZB fuselage
C-160R (R13/61-MH) fuselage
C-160R (R17/61-ML) fuselage
C-160R (R44/61-MP) fuselage
C-160R (R45/61-MQ) fuselage
C-160R (R52/61-MX) fuselage
C-160R (R53/61-MY) fuselage
As Falcon 20SNA 186/339-JE is stored in front off a shelter for years, and was not visible for us, we saw five fintips of Falcon 20s between the 18 N262s we counted. That should make following serials:
Falcon 20C (93/F-RAED)
Falcon 20SNA (115/339-JG) from this one Citac339 badge was visible
Falcon 20C (260/F-RAEA)
Falcon 20E (268/F-RAEF)
Falcon 20C (451/339-JC)

Nivouville scrapping area
CM-170 (423) silver c/s
Mirage 3E (429/2-LO) pres?, code O was read on nosewheel door
Mirage 4 ../A. only a code A. was read and “323 ?”
Mirage F1C 5 grey
Mirage F1C 31(/33-FC) grey
Mirage F1C 52(/33-FB) grey, (white tail?)
Mirage F1C 240 desert c/s, read as 24x
N262AEN (86/316-DD) forward fuselage, code # 86 painted on
Jaguar E E37
Jaguar A some tails were visible
Only one Mirage 4 fuselage next to the silver CM170 was visible, code A. was read and a sprayed code like 323 on the fuselage, anyone a clue if this is 21/AT or 13/AL?

German runway
Aircraft marked # identified from sprayed on numbers
CM-170 227
CM-170 426
CM-170 429
CM-170 517
CM-170 537
CM-170 567/VF fuselage, blue c/s
Mirage 3E 5(29)/3-JS silver c/s, fuselage
Mirage 3R 350(/33-CL) only part tail with serial visible
Mirage F1C (81) desert c/s, fuselage, # 81
Mirage F1C (84) ? desert c/s, fuselage, # 200-84?
Mirage F1CT (281) MF2000 demonstrator, big titles
Mirage F1CR (605) code # 605
Mirage F1CR (608/33)-CW code # 608
Mirage F1CR (612/33-NJ) code # 612
Mirage F1CR (623)/112-AW code # 623
Mirage F1CR (648) code # 648
Mirage 2000C (C01) code # 01
Mirage 2000C (C4) code # 4
Mirage 2000C (C8) code # C8
Mirage 2000C (84)/12-KT fuselage
Mirage 2000N (311) fuselage, # 311
Mirage 2000N (325)/4-CC fuselage
Alpha Jet E (E19) fuselage, code # 19
Alpha Jet E (E21)/8-NK fuselage, code # 21
Alpha Jet E (E63) fuselage, code # 63
Alpha Jet E (E65)/7-PV fuselage, code # 65
Jaguar A A38
Jaguar A A53
Jaguar A A84
Jaguar A A90
Jaguar A A108(/7-HQ)
Jaguar A A115
Jaguar A A138(/7-HV)
Jaguar A A144/7-HA
Jaguar A (A145)/7-HG
Jaguar A A150/7-HE
Jaguar A A158/7-HT
Falcon 20C 86/CG dayglow tail
Falcon 20C 131/(CD) dayglow tail
Falcon 20 (291)/F-RAEG
Falcon 20 (422)/F-RAEH
N262A (45) fuselage, code # .5 read
N262A (46) fuselage, code # 46
N262A (51) tiger c/s, fuselage, code #51
N262A (52) fuselage, code # .2 read
N262 (53) fuselage, code # 53
N262E (63) fuselage, code # 63
N262A (69) fuselage, code # 69
N262A (70) fuselage, code # 70
N262 71 fuselage, code not read
N262 (73) fuselage, not read !
N262A (75) fuselage, code # .5 read
N262A (79) fuselage, code # 79
N262A 100 fuselage, code # 100
There were 2 desert Mirage F1s on the German runway, code 81 was the first one behind the Jaguars.
Another with code “200-8x” was one of the last in this row behind the MF2000 demonstrator (F1CT), thought it had sprayed code 200-84 under de cockpit. Anyone?

Poulmic site, dump SE-side :
C-160H (H01/59-BA)
C-160H (H02/59-BB)
C-160H (H03/59-BC)
C-160H (H04/59-BD)
Flamant 1x no fuselage, complete aircraft
Only one complete aircraft was noted here in the past, anyone if this is MD.315 serial 124?

Poulmic site (too far to read, all behind earthwalls):
Alpha Jet E ? x
Mirage F1C ? x
Mirage F1CT ? x
Mirage 3E (403/13-QB) silver tail with 3-colour rudder
Mirage 2000B/C ? x some with blue EC5-badge
Jaguar ? x
Only the red/white Mirage 4, one left of it and 4 right of it could be seen, this should make:
Mirage 4A (14/AM) spot R1
Mirage 4A (46/BS)? spot R6
Mirage 4A (26/AY) spot R3
Mirage 4P (49/BV) spot R2
Mirage 4P (52/BY) spot R4
Mirage 4P (57/CD) red/white c/s, spot R5

Saint Peravy La Colombe

Along road D955 from Orleans to Chateaudun, on LHS when entering this small village
in use as a storage shed at a garage is:

N.2501F 12 fuselage only

Also seen this day were near Orly airport:
Mirage 3RD 352
Mirage 3B 245/13-FB
And at a childerens playsite:
Etendard 4M 3

Le Bourget june 22:

Museum :
Jaguar A A1/F ex stored
F-105, CL215 23, DC-8 FE, Etendard, Neptune, Hansa jet

Dugny store :
Jag A, Mir 3BE, Mir 3 42/EF, DC-7 CA, Meteor NF14-747, BR.741, T-33 055/GC
Under the DC-7 was the wreck of Paris 83 (blue/black c/s) visible.
With Ailes Anciennes:
HD.34 F-BICR, C-47 FN, N2501 (= 44 ?)

Erik Kamphuis
Panoravia

[pjotrtje]

Great report, nice to see a lot can be seen if you have time on your hand!
Today I visited Châteaudun... A couple of remarks:

Chateaudun Air Base June 22nd 2012

Preserved:
...
Mirage F1C (10/12-ZD) near tower, white spec. c/s --> not seen

BDRT area Nivouville site EETRDC64.600
at the 'BDRT area' I noted Mirage F1 624 and Mirage 2000B 510. They were accompanied by a C-160 hull and two unreadable (heat haze...) Jaguars A.

Saint Peravy La Colombe
Along road D955 from Orleans to Chateaudun, on LHS immediately when entering this small village
in use as a storage shed at a garage (billboarded "Military <something>") is:

N.2501F 12 fuselage only

Thanks again for the report Erik, gave me a good idea of wishing to go there again when no heat haze is around

[erik_kamphuis]

Hi,

Thanks for the remarks.
Could you read serials at the BDRT area from outside?
Was 624 not a Mirage 3E, should also be here?
Mirage 2000B 515 used to be at that spot between the 2 Jaguars and 2 Mirage F1C's (33 and 68). Are you sure you read 510 (also stored here), maybe they switched Mirages?
33 and 68 were logged in previous reports at the BDRT, later 33 and one unidentified with white s/c on tail. EMOOS 2007 says 68 had special colours...

Erik