Light aircraft crash off Hoek van Holland, 05-06-2022

[Key]

Thanks Ben, and very true of course. Have not checked the METARs there yet.

Erik

[smarti63]

There is a lot of media coverage of this very tragic accident here in Norway (i.e. https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/2 ... -nederland).

Willingness to take risk and realistic judgement of own abilities might maybe also be a factor.

This pilot was in december last year convicted to jail sentence for unauthorized modification of the engine of another Dyn Aero MCR after the engine failed in moutainous area (https://www.nrk.no/vestland/domt-etter- ... 1.15769207.). The judge wrote "He has exaggerated notions of his own competence".

The accident report from that previous accident is available in english here: https://havarikommisjonen.no/Luftfart/A ... 019-04-eng

[Key]

Thanks for the info. This paints a picture of someone with a very wrong attitude for aviation, unfortunately.
About the weather: reports for EHWO Woensdrecht, 60km south of the crash site, suggest it did clear up rapidly behind the area with the showers.

Erik

[3tre3]

There is a lot of media coverage of this very tragic accident here in Norway (i.e. https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/2 ... -nederland).

Willingness to take risk and realistic judgement of own abilities might maybe also be a factor.

This pilot was in december last year convicted to jail sentence for unauthorized modification of the engine of another Dyn Aero MCR after the engine failed in moutainous area (https://www.nrk.no/vestland/domt-etter- ... 1.15769207.). The judge wrote "He has exaggerated notions of his own competence".

The accident report from that previous accident is available in english here: https://havarikommisjonen.no/Luftfart/A ... 019-04-eng

Interesting thread so far. But i don't understand the language in the link from Norway so i can't comment on that and google translate does not always give a completely correct image. But i am generally careful in making these kind of accusations this early in an investigation even if they turn out to be accurate, you suggest that this father deliberately took his own son into a dangerous plane or a dangerous situation something I do not think many parents would do, and especially not if he has been in a previous accident, then I would assume that he had learned his lesson and that he of all people would be extra careful not to make the same mistake again.

It has previously been written that this aircraft was based at ENBR which is to be an international airport which sets strict requirements for access and competence. So after reading through this thread, it seems to be a person who has flown long distances through Europe in the past. but this flight seems to have several things that weren't right before it disappeared. Transponder error, violation of controlled airspace in an area through which the aircraft has previously flown and radio silence. I have a hard time believing that a pilot can make so many mistakes at once without there being anything wrong with the plane.

But it will be interesting to see the full picture if or when they find the airplane.

As an investigator in the police i have seen many examples of people being predjudged by earlier events in their lives only to learn later that the truth eluded us. But in this case my thoughts go to the remaining family members. Losing a child is especially difficult. In many cases i have seen families never recover from such incidents

In my line of work we often say "you are right or you may be right" if it is the last one we usually wait and see

[Key]

Thank you very much for the wise words. IMHO there is no accusation, smarti63 wrote "might maybe also be a factor" and that could even generally be said of any situation. From what I've read, translated from Norwegian or directly in English, the pilot was not inclined to take the lesson of his previous mishap (and more grave, non-aviation matters appear to have existed as well). We keep an open mind nonetheless and your remarks definitely help. Chances are slim the cause of the crash will ever be established with certainty but perhaps there will still be learning points to gain for other aviators, or even all of us.

Cheers,
Erik

[smarti63]

I have no idea what caused this tragic accident and am not making any accusations regarding this pilots actions during this tragic flight. And my word "willingsness" was imprecise (and could be seen as accusation). But history of both plane and pilots might be relevant to look into.

As a matter of fact he has been convicted for modifying another airplane engine, in writing lying about this fact when certifying his plane and thereafter flying with passengers for a year before crashing it in the mountain. The judge concludeded that he had exposed his passengers for great risk and shown "a firm criminal intent". The reason he was sentenced to only 14 days in prison was a legal technicality (he was ealier convicted to 90 days prison for manslaughter by car that happened one year after the first plane crash and thus entitled to a common sentence covering both crimes - and therefore to some "discount").

I would assume that such behaviour should qualify for revoking his pilot licence for a few years and was very surprised that he was still flying (but maybe it was revoked earlier and already reinstated). If not authorities or legal beaurocracy might be to blame?

I have no doubt that he did not have any intentions in exposing his son, ealier passangers or car victim to any extraordinary risk. It is more likely that he might not fully understand risks involved by his behavior in general ("exaggerated notions of his own competence"). Pilots with exaggerated notions of own competence might be more likely to expose themself and others to excessive risk without any bad intentions?

[Stratofreighter]

...both bodies found now...
https://www.rijnmond.nl/nieuws/1514476/ ... l-gevonden