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Re: Operational Dutch F-16's

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J-201 arrived this 20/04/2023 at SABCA, grey 322sqn badge.
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Corentin Romedenne wrote: 20 Apr 2023, 13:02 J-201 arrived this 20/04/2023 at SABCA, grey 322sqn badge.
This one is not in the overview, so it must have been stored at Volkel at some kind of flying status. Are there more at Volkel like the above and can they also be included in the overview please? Similar like the Charleroi/SABCA stored ones?
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Re: Operational Dutch F-16's

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Sjoerd wrote: 20 Apr 2023, 14:25
Corentin Romedenne wrote: 20 Apr 2023, 13:02 J-201 arrived this 20/04/2023 at SABCA, grey 322sqn badge.
This one is not in the overview, so it must have been stored at Volkel at some kind of flying status. Are there more at Volkel like the above and can they also be included in the overview please? Similar like the Charleroi/SABCA stored ones?
201 should be the last one with a polly grey badge
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Re: Operational Dutch F-16's

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Sjoerd wrote: 20 Apr 2023, 14:25
Corentin Romedenne wrote: 20 Apr 2023, 13:02 J-201 arrived this 20/04/2023 at SABCA, grey 322sqn badge.
This one is not in the overview, so it must have been stored at Volkel at some kind of flying status. Are there more at Volkel like the above and can they also be included in the overview please? Similar like the Charleroi/SABCA stored ones?
Sjoerd I would like to add the airframes which are wfu in flyable condition at Volkel but I do not know which airframes comply with this status.
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Re: Operational Dutch F-16's

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JPS wrote: 21 Apr 2023, 22:12 Sjoerd I would like to add the airframes which are wfu in flyable condition at Volkel but I do not know which airframes comply with this status.
I have no objection including any wfu airframes that are on base apart from the preserved/GIA ones.
And others here maybe able to help confirm the status.
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Re: Operational Dutch F-16's

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Sjoerd wrote: 22 Apr 2023, 00:36 I have no objection including any wfu airframes that are on base apart from the preserved/GIA ones.
And others here maybe able to help confirm the status.
Sjoerd, these should be the ones which are stored at Volkel in 'flyable condition'. I will include them in the next overview:

Volkel stored (8 x F-16AM)
J-021 F-16AM ex 312sq full color badge 312sq and toned down North Brabantian tailband 2022 wfu 9nov2022
J-063 F-16AM ex 312sq full color badge 312sq and toned down North Brabantian tailband + 'MiG-29 kill' left side 2022 wfu 18nov2022
J-144 F-16AM ex 312sq full color badge 312sq and no tailband 2022 wfu 13apr2022, last testflight 18oct2022
J-362 F-16AM ex 322sq toned down badge 322sq and Frisian tailband 2020 wfu 23jan2020
J-511 F-16AM ex 322sq toned down badge 322sq and Frisian tailband 2021 wfu 15apr2021
J-616 F-16AM ex 312sq toned down badge 312sq/NTM sticker left side, no tailband 2021 wfu 18jan2021
J-632 F-16AM ex 312sq toned down badge 312sq and no tailband 2022 wfu 8mar2022
J-879 F-16AM ex 312sq toned down badge 312sq and no tailband 2022 wfu 29apr2022
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Re: Operational Dutch F-16's

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JPS wrote: 23 Apr 2023, 10:04
Sjoerd wrote: 22 Apr 2023, 00:36 I have no objection including any wfu airframes that are on base apart from the preserved/GIA ones.
And others here maybe able to help confirm the status.
Sjoerd, these should be the ones which are stored at Volkel in 'flyable condition'. I will include them in the next overview:

Volkel stored (8 x F-16AM)
J-021 F-16AM ex 312sq full color badge 312sq and toned down North Brabantian tailband 2022 wfu 9nov2022
stored @ Volkel
J-063 F-16AM ex 312sq full color badge 312sq and toned down North Brabantian tailband + 'MiG-29 kill' left side 2022 wfu 18nov2022
@ Volkel prepared for NMM
J-144 F-16AM ex 312sq full color badge 312sq and no tailband 2022 wfu 13apr2022, last testflight 18oct2022
stored @Volkel
J-362 F-16AM ex 322sq toned down badge 322sq and Frisian tailband 2020 wfu 23jan2020
I believe it is scrapped, not sure
J-511 F-16AM ex 322sq toned down badge 322sq and Frisian tailband 2021 wfu 15apr2021
scrapped
J-616 F-16AM ex 312sq toned down badge 312sq/NTM sticker left side, no tailband 2021 wfu 18jan2021
stored @ Volkel, possible future gate guard
J-632 F-16AM ex 312sq toned down badge 312sq and no tailband 2022 wfu 8mar2022
J-879 F-16AM ex 312sq toned down badge 312sq and no tailband 2022 wfu 29apr2022
both instructional airframes @ AMTC Volkel next to J-268
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Re: Operational Dutch F-16's

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Theo van den Boomen wrote: 23 Apr 2023, 12:32
J-021 F-16AM ex 312sq full color badge 312sq and toned down North Brabantian tailband 2022 wfu 9nov2022
stored @ Volkel
J-063 F-16AM ex 312sq full color badge 312sq and toned down North Brabantian tailband + 'MiG-29 kill' left side 2022 wfu 18nov2022
@ Volkel prepared for NMM
J-144 F-16AM ex 312sq full color badge 312sq and no tailband 2022 wfu 13apr2022, last testflight 18oct2022
stored @Volkel
J-362 F-16AM ex 322sq toned down badge 322sq and Frisian tailband 2020 wfu 23jan2020
I believe it is scrapped, not sure
J-511 F-16AM ex 322sq toned down badge 322sq and Frisian tailband 2021 wfu 15apr2021
scrapped
J-616 F-16AM ex 312sq toned down badge 312sq/NTM sticker left side, no tailband 2021 wfu 18jan2021
stored @ Volkel, possible future gate guard
J-632 F-16AM ex 312sq toned down badge 312sq and no tailband 2022 wfu 8mar2022
J-879 F-16AM ex 312sq toned down badge 312sq and no tailband 2022 wfu 29apr2022
both instructional airframes @ AMTC Volkel next to J-268
Thx Theo for the detailed info, then I will only list the J-021 and J-144 as stored at Volkel.
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Thanks for the additional info Theo & JPS
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"J-015 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and no tailband 2022 SABCA Charleroi 1dec2022"

Returning to Volkel today 26 April.

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Thanks for all the input.

The last F-16 leaving LCW after maintenance with regi J-515 was already without its special tail when it arrived at Volkel from Woensdrecht.

The J-011 is the last operational F-16 to receive 312sq squadron badge, all 24 Bonzo airframes have now some sort of 312sq markings.

ImageJ-011 by Joe Peartree, on Flickr

With the J-011, 013 and 015 flying in April all 312sq F-16's have been airborne this year.

SABCA received another wfu F-16 this month making a total of 16 airframes which are receiving maintenance at the Belgian airport. Latest arrival J-201 had lost its 312sq markings but still kept its previous 322sq badge when it departed Volkel. This leaves 2 wfu airframes in flying condition at Volkel which are now also listed below.

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J-201 arrives at Charleroi by Corentin Romedenne on Facebook

Regular maintenance is also continuing at Charleroi with J-060 arriving while the J-015 and J-367 came back from Belgium.

Please find below the April list with the updates in red:

Volkel 312sq (24 x F-16AM)
J-003 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and no tailband 2023
J-005 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and no tailband 2023
J-006 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and no tailband 2023 SABCA Charleroi 10feb2023
J-008 F-16AM 312sq full color badge and North Brabantian tailband 2023
J-011 F-16AM 312sq full color badge and no tailband 2023
J-013 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and no tailband 2023
J-014 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and no tailband 2023
J-015 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and no tailband 2023
J-016 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and North Brabantian tailband 2023
J-017 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and North Brabantian tailband 2023
J-020 F-16AM 312sq full color badge and toned down North Brabantian tailband 2023
J-055 F-16AM 312sq full color badge and partial toned down North Brabantian tailband 2023
J-060 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and no tailband 2023 SABCA Charleroi 19apr2023
J-062 F-16AM 312sq full color badge and North Brabantian tailband 2023
J-136 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and no tailband 2023
J-146 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and no tailband 2023
J-197 F-16AM 312sq full color badge and no tailband 2023
J-367 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and no tailband 2023
J-508 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and no tailband 2023
J-512 F-16AM 312sq full color badge and no tailband 2023
J-514 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and no tailband 2023
J-515 F-16AM 312sq full colour badge and North Brabantian tailband 2023
J-516 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and no tailband 2023
J-641 F-16AM 312sq toned down badge and North Brabantian tailband 2023


Volkel stored (2 x F-16AM)
J-021 F-16AM ex 312sq full color badge 312sq and toned down North Brabantian tailband 2022 wfu 9nov2022
J-144 F-16AM ex 312sq full color badge 312sq and no tailband 2022 wfu 13apr2022, last testflight 18oct2022


SABCA stored (9 x F-16AM + 7 x F-16BM)
J-004 AZ F-16AM ex 148th FS full color Tucson tailband, toned down badge and markings 2022 SABCA Charleroi 15dec2022, wfu 29jul2022
J-010 AZ F-16AM ex 148th FS full color Tucson tailband, toned down badge and markings, white outline AZ+'148 FS' 2022 SABCA Charleroi 15dec2022, wfu 29jul2022
J-018 AZ F-16AM ex 148th FS full color Tucson tailband, toned down badge and markings 2023 SABCA Charleroi 23jan2023, wfu 29jul2022
J-019 AZ F-16AM ex 148th FS full color Tucson tailband, toned down badge and markings 2023 SABCA Charleroi 23jan2023, wfu 29jul2022
J-064 AZ F-16BM ex 148th FS full color Tucson tailband, toned down badge and markings 2023 SABCA Charleroi 23jan2023, wfu 29jul2022
J-067 AZ F-16BM ex 148th FS full color Tucson tailband, toned down badge and markings 2022 SABCA Charleroi 15dec2022, wfu 29jul2022
J-201 F-16AM ex 312sq toned down badge 322sq and no tailband 2023 SABCA Charleroi 20apr2023, wfu 20dec2022
J-209 AZ F-16BM ex 148th FS full color Tucson tailband, toned down badge and markings 2023 SABCA Charleroi 30jan2023, wfu 29jul2022
J-210 AZ F-16BM ex 148th FS full color Tucson tailband, toned down badge and markings 2022 SABCA Charleroi 15dec2022, wfu 29jul2022
J-366 AZ F-16AM ex 148th FS full color Tucson tailband, toned down badge and markings 2023 SABCA Charleroi 30jan2023, wfu 29jul2022
J-368 F-16BM ex 312sq no badge and tailband 2023 SABCA Charleroi 7 mar2023, wfu 18jul2022
J-369 AZ F-16BM ex 148th FS full color Tucson tailband, toned down badge and markings 2023 SABCA Charleroi 30jan2023, wfu 29jul2022
J-509 F-16AM ex 312sq toned down badge and no tailband 2023 SABCA Charleroi 23feb2023, wfu 6sep2022
J-644 F-16AM ex 312sq toned down badge 312sq and North Brabantian tailband 2023 SABCA Charleroi 23mar2023, wfu 24oct2022
J-646 F-16AM ex 312sq toned down badge 312sq and North Brabantian tailband 2023 SABCA Charleroi 10feb2023, wfu 22aug2022
J-882 F-16BM ex 148th FS full colour 312sq badge and North Brabantian tailband, regi white outline 2023 SABCA Charleroi 23jan2023, wfu 29jul2022
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Re: Operational Dutch F-16's

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...well, no surprises there... :|

https://luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/cate ... n-oekraine
26 mei 2023 - 15:46 | Door: ANP

Het is waarschijnlijk dat Nederland F-16's aan Oekraïne gaat leveren,
laat defensieminister Kajsa Ollongren vrijdag doorschemeren na afloop van de ministerraad.

Nederland heeft al toegezegd Oekraïense piloten te trainen in de toestellen
"en dan ga je ervan uit dat Oekraïne op enig moment ook gaat vliegen met de F-16.
Dat vergt wel nog een apart besluit".

Ook persbureau Bloomberg meldt op basis van anonieme bronnen dat Nederland waarschijnlijk toestellen gaat leveren.
https://kyivindependent.com/bloomberg-n ... hter-jets/
Netherlands likely to provide Ukraine with F-16 fighter jets

May 26, 2023 3:09 PM

The Netherlands will likely send an unspecified number of its 42 F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine,
Bloomberg reported on May 26
with reference to its unnamed sources.

This transfer should follow the training of Ukrainian pilots, according to the report.

On the same day, Ukraine's Defense Ministry tweeted it requires four squadrons of F-16s
– 48 planes in total – to liberate its territory from Russia.

According to Bloomberg, 24 Dutch fighters are currently in use by the country's military
and cannot be sent to Ukraine until mid-2024.

The U.K. and the Netherlands agreed on May 17 to build an international coalition to provide F-16s to Ukraine.

On May 20, the U.S. also declared that it would join the initiative, as did Portugal, Denmark, and Belgium.

Reports appeared on May 20 that the Netherlands :!: canceled :!: the sale of its F-16s to the private company Draken International.

This sparked speculation that Amsterdam plans to reroute the planes to Ukraine’s military instead.
November 2024 update at FokkerNews.nl....
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As two seaters are required for the pilot training that is intended to start soon, the question is whether the SABCA stored birds will be brought back to operational status. The 24 Volkel single seaters are not suitable for the pilot training. Next question would be where the training will take place.
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...indeed, a lot of questions about the reality of
training/converting Ukrainian fighter pilots
to western F-16s.

Also see
https://scramble.nl/community/messagebo ... 5#p1059435
November 2024 update at FokkerNews.nl....
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As the training initiative is handled by Denmark and Netherlands, don’t rule out the use of Danish twintubs…
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