Paris-Le Bourget (LFPB/LBG) - 2007

Coldice · Post by **Coldice** » 22 Jul 2006, 21:17

Hello all,

In about 2 weeks I will go to France and normaly I stop at LBG to take some pictures. Is that still possible?

Leo

pjotrtje · Post by **pjotrtje** » 22 Jul 2006, 22:30

Well, as I read somewhere on the 'net, it seems metal sheeting has been put up against most fences. Photography is - as was said - made more difficult than it used to be...
Have a great holiday in France, and try to get to some other locations as well

Erik Rutjes · Post by **Erik Rutjes** » 24 Jul 2006, 12:44

Hi Leo,

Well, it still is possible to take pictures. Only the spots between the hangars are fenced. But, it is still forbidden to taken pictures. Heard some stories about severe fines. So, beware.

Erik

canberra · Post by **canberra** » 24 Jul 2006, 13:30

Erik Rutjes wrote:But, it is still forbidden to taken pictures. Heard some stories about severe fines. So, beware.

That is new to me, I thought it was only at CDG the Phography ban had been imposed. Can you confirm it also includes LBG?

Erik Rutjes · Post by **Erik Rutjes** » 24 Jul 2006, 14:00

Hi Canberra,

As far as i understand LBG is in the same district (in French: departement). This legislation should be for the whole district. ORY is no problem, since this is anothet district.

Erik

Aviaphotos · Post by **Aviaphotos** » 24 Jul 2006, 14:00

This is the situation at CDG at the moment. Can't find anything about LBG.

Due to a new prefectoral decree, taking pictures of anything from the public area to the restricted one is strictly forbidden.

The risk is a fee of 450 euros.

KeroZen association has signed an agreement with the sous-prefecture of Seine Saint Denis that allows our members to have personal autorisations to continue to take picture at Roissy CDG airport.

Source: http://www.kerozen.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Regards,

Pim

canberra · Post by **canberra** » 24 Jul 2006, 14:17

Erik Rutjes wrote:As far as i understand LBG is in the same district (in French: departement). This legislation should be for the whole district. ORY is no problem, since this is anothet district.

Thanks Erik, makes sense, not very far between the airports so. Anyway what a shame, but a good reason to become member of KeroZen as they aperently got an agreement on photography.

frank kramer · Post by **frank kramer** » 26 Jul 2006, 00:02

As mentioned above by Pim: Paris Spotting Group Kerozen has struck a deal with the local authorities that allows KeroZen members with a personal authorisation to continue taking photo's at CDG. No mention is made of LBG, so I do't know if that applies there too. However, photography on the museum apron should not be a problem... what else would be the point of having a museum then?!

In order to get a personal authorisation, you have to become a member of KeroZen. If you go to their website http://www.kerozen.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, check "THE ASSOCIATION". A standard membership fee is € 15/year, a "gold membership" (don't know the difference) is €40/year. Once you're a member you can apply for a photo-pass. This might take some time, as application lists for photo-passes are passed on to the proper authorities "at least" every 3 months or so and it is furthermore up to the French authorities to decide if and when they will accept your application. If they do, you will receive notification of some sort. If they don't, they won't inform you and you cannot try again.

Anyway, both the rules and the application form for membership of KeroZen can be found on and downloaded from the website mentioned above (under "the association")

PS: please keep in mind that English was NOT the native language of the person(s) making the English translations of the original French forms and rules

Hope this helps!

Coldice · Post by **Coldice** » 26 Jul 2006, 00:49

Thanks for all the reply's.

Leo

Glidepath · Post by **Glidepath** » 26 Jul 2006, 13:33

why join kero?
I think the Scramble team could join in on this deal or arrange this for scramble members themselves. (likewise for other Spottersclubs and so on).

remember, there no such thing as exclusivity within the law imposing restriction and givin fiines. If exeption have been made, they can and will be made again. (gelijke rechten) equal right according to EU laws.
in basic french : egalité, which applies since jeanne d'arc and the french revolution.

So , Scramble, made me happy / rendre moi heureux

frank kramer · Post by **frank kramer** » 26 Jul 2006, 17:02

remember, there no such thing as exclusivity within the law imposing restriction and givin fiines. If exeption have been made, they can and will be made again. (gelijke rechten) equal right according to EU laws.
in basic french : egalité, which applies since jeanne d'arc and the french revolution

although you are most probably right from a legal point of view, making the sous-prefecture over there see your point might take "some" time (and may also require a better command of the french language than most french have a command of the english language). Joining KeroZen would almost certainly be faster.

Of course, I support your suggestion to the Scramble editorial team! Allez, garçons!

Key · Post by **Key** » 27 Jul 2006, 11:04

Private opinion
While it is really good to see that Kerozen has struck a deal for their members I think the situation is ridiculous. First the authorities come up with this 'security measure' of North Korean properties and then any member of an organistation that is 1) surely not screened and 2) prone to publish the photos gets a waiver. I would not like to participate in that.
On a separate note, Scramble's priorities are not with special access measures on foreign airfields. In this specific case it would involve negotiating with the French plus a follow-up administrative action for anyone applying. Not really an option - and that's just one airfield! (egalité, remember?

).

Erik
Private opinion

Fire_one · Post by **Fire_one** » 13 Jan 2007, 23:03

Can anyone tell me if it's allowed to listen to the airtraffic in France, especially at Le Bourget.
Because I'm going to Le Bourget in juni, to visit te Paris Airshow.

A few years ago it was allowed. They even were selling radioscanners at the airshow.
I wonder if it's still allowed. (I hope so..)

Greetz,
David

pipichantal · Post by **pipichantal** » 14 Jan 2007, 08:08

In France it's also not allowed to make pictures of 'strategic builings' like train stations and so on.

pipichantal · Post by **pipichantal** » 14 Jan 2007, 08:18

Fire_one wrote:Can anyone tell me if it's allowed to listen to the airtraffic in France, especially at Le Bourget.
Because I'm going to Le Bourget in juni, to visit te Paris Airshow.

A few years ago it was allowed. They even were selling radioscanners at the airshow.
I wonder if it's still allowed. (I hope so..)

Greetz,
David

It's not allowed to use a scanner in open public or in your car
(since 1999 !!),you may only use it at home listening to amateur freq's only.

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