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In topic titles, please use airfield names in stead of just codes, and be clear about what kind of photos your viewers can expect (e.g. CIV/MIL, location etc.).

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Post by Stephan Lodewijks »

SpotterNL wrote:What's wrong with some self critique and not posting everything you have shot?
Nothing at all. Like I wrote, it's about sharing photos, nothing more, nothing less, with or devoid of self-critique. I think you're looking for certain forum-characteristics that aren't provided for in the forum description. That is, if I understand the forum-descriptions correctly.

Maybe we're both missing parts of each other's point... :D :wink:

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Stephan Lodewijks wrote:
SpotterNL wrote:What's wrong with some self critique and not posting everything you have shot?
Nothing at all. Like I wrote, it's about sharing photos, nothing more, nothing less, with or devoid of self-critique. I think you're looking for certain forum-characteristics that aren't provided for in the forum description. That is, if I understand the forum-descriptions correctly.

Maybe we're both missing parts of each other's point... :D :wink:

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Stephan
And my whole point of my post was to question the current situation on this board (critique isn't welcomed). Currently the mood seems to be 'ja en amen', while in my point of view that is not correct in every situation. There is so much to be learned by just being open to constructive critisism. What would be the best place to get that? In my opinion it would be the photo forum, because there you can judge the photo in all aspects. The photography forum is more material based, without looking at composition etc.

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Post by Stephan Lodewijks »

I've seen constructive critique being welcomed many times on this forum, so I think a lot people are very open to it; things are definately not as bad as they seem in this individual topic. Remember that the post triggering most of the defensive responses was this one:
Bright Star Aviation wrote:Not the kind of pictures for this forum. Too much air and a small plane!
...I call that swording-down rather than constructive, I think you'll agree... :wink:

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Stephan Lodewijks wrote:I've seen constructive critique being welcomed many times on this forum, so I think a lot people are very open to it; things are definately not as bad as they seem in this individual topic. Remember that the post triggering most of the defensive responses was this one:
Bright Star Aviation wrote:Not the kind of pictures for this forum. Too much air and a small plane!
...I call that swording-down rather than constructive, I think you'll agree... :wink:

Best regards,

Stephan
I agree that the tone of that post was harsh, but IMHO it's content was correct. It has been said in previous posts that it might be wiser to post less photos at a time, which is a statement I agree with. If you don't like the words, attack the wording instead of the message.

One of the other things I was talking about is the following (but by no means the only in this forum):
but you have some good pics
With all due respect to the photographer, I think the word 'good' doesn't cover these photo's. some constructive criticism goes a lot further in helping the photographer than just saying 'good pics'. There is a lot of possible improvement, yet the main part of the people replying say 'give him a break, he is still young and learning'. That is THE time to give some criticism, as it is very hard to change old habits. I'll give an example of what would be a more appropriate response IMHO.

Jimmy,

I like to see that you are so enthusiastic about photography and you even go out on shitty weather days like this one. However, these days are not the easiest to get good photos, especially with dark subjects as a PC-7 or Apache. This shows in your photos in blurriness. Furthermore a lot of your photos can be very interesting to you, but might lack that for other people on this forum.

A lot of photos have the subject (very) far away. Perhaps it's worth considering to pick your 2 or 3 best (with this number of subjects) photos, and post those? While the experience of being there might have been great (and I'm sure it was), it doesn't show in the photo's. Take your time and sit down with your photos thinking 'what do I like about this photo, and is that because of what I experienced or does it show in the photo?'. It's not uncommon to think you have a good photo, but that is with your own experienced factored in. Try to see it from someone who wasn't there. Is that photo going to be as interesting for them as it is for you?

Keep on learning!

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Post by jimmy van drunen »

thanks,

gr. jimmy
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