Question about scrapped F-4F Phantoms @ ETNJ (Jever)

[perrie]

Hi,

In Scramble 359 I read on page 72 (in Mil news and updates) that the following F-4F Pahntoms have been scrapped: ( )

37+13 ex wfu ETNJ
37+39 ex wfu ETNJ
38+06 ex JG71
38+18 ex wfu ETNJ
38+20 ex wfu ETNJ
38+36 ex wfu ETNJ
38+37 ex JG71
38+40 ex WTD61

There are no dates mentioned in Scramble about the arrivals and actual scrapping of the Phantoms.
I visited Jever on 30 july 2008 and there were 7 F-4F's there and a Tornado.
I wasn't able to identify them. Are some of the scrapped F-4F's mentioned in Scramble a/c there were at Jever in july '08 or are these Phantoms that arrived afterwards and have been scrapped after the ones I've seen in july '08?

Hope someone still understands my question, get the feeling it's getting a bit complicated.

TIA, Per

[Stefan]

Hope someone still understands my question, get the feeling it's getting a bit complicated.

Hi Per,

I guess I know what you are looking for. I can give the post-ops details we have, but I still think it is a bit tricky to conclude whether you saw a particular a/c or not...

Anyway, here goes (not pretending all info is complete);

37+13
wfu Jever (<aug08) f/n not accurate
scrapped (by mar09)
wreck on dump mar09

37+39
wfu Jever (feb07)
scrapped (by mar09)
wreck on dump mar09

38+09
wfu Jever
scrapped (by mar09)
wreck on dump mar09

38+18
wfu Jever (feb07)
scrapped (by mar09)
wreck on dump mar09

38+20
wfu Jever (by jan09)
scrapped (by mar09)
wreck on dump mar09

38+36
wfu Jever (jun08)
scrapped (by mar09)
wreck on dump mar09

38+37
wfu Jever
scrapped (by mar09)
wreck on dump mar09

38+40
wfu Jever
scrapped (by mar09)
wreck on dump mar09

Regards,
Stefan

[perrie]

Hi Stefan, thanks for your reply.
Indeed no conclusions can be made.

Per

[perrie]

Went to Jever today to have a look on the current status.

5 F-4F were parked outside, these are operational JG71 aircraft. They were too far away to read off.
5 F-4F were lying on the dump, the one on the left hand side from the fence carried special mks. (A Phantom drawing and text: "Ein Langes Leben geht zu Ende", "222222 Sorties", "Decimomannu-Jever HWT", "13-02-19.. - 30-11-2007". Anyone for the identity of this Phantom.
Another Phantom tail reads: Luftwaffe F-4F 72-125. (last digit looks like 8 but I'm not 100% sure).

Still a very sad sight...

Per

[Ronny]

Yesterday I was at Jever and saw only 3 scrapped F-4's in a dispersal and 5 F-4 from JG 71 on the fightline. Anyone for the serials?

Many thanks

Ronny

[perrie]

Hi Ronnie,

There are lots of trees. Did you look from both sides or did I miscount?

regards, Per

[Ronny]

Per,

I looked from 1 side (the side of the Hauptwache, Husumer Strasse, Buschweg). In 2008 there where also some Tornado's, now only 3 F-4's. From that side I also saw th 5 JG 71 F-4's on te flightline.

Ronny

[perrie]

Okay Ronny thanks, so I did see three instead of five. I looked from the fence nearby.
The one with text writen all over should be known by someone though...

Per

[perrie]

Hi Stefan,

Do you have info on 38+06. Scramble mentions this a/c was scrapped too !!!

thanks, Per

[marcel32us]

Visited Jever yesterday (20-6-2010) with 10 Phantoms and 8 tornado's on the dump:

F-4F
38+20, read as 72-1230
38+55, read as 72-1265
38+69, read as 72-1279
38+54, read as 72-1264
38+31, read as 72-1241
38+40, read as 72-1250
..+.., no tail, "222222 sorties" markings
..+.., no tail
..+.., no tail

F-4E
75-0628, 1st GAFTTC markings.

Tornado
43+81
43+57
45+02
45+24
..+..
..+..
..+..
..+..

Any additions most welcome of course, especially on the specially marked F-4F.

Marcel

[stipjes]

Visited Jever yesterday (20-6-2010) with 10 Phantoms and 8 tornado's on the dump:

F-4F
38+20, read as 72-1230
38+55, read as 72-1265
38+69, read as 72-1279
38+54, read as 72-1264
38+31, read as 72-1241
38+40, read as 72-1250
..+.., no tail, "222222 sorties" markings
..+.., no tail
..+.., no tail

F-4E
75-0628, 1st GAFTTC markings.

Tornado
43+81
43+57
45+02
45+24
..+..
..+..
..+..
..+..

Any additions most welcome of course, especially on the specially marked F-4F.

Marcel

only 2 Phantoms left on july 20th, the 75-0628 and a unkown (anyone?)
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