Reims Meeting du centenaire 27/28 June

[Piet Luijken]

that is your definition and a bit off topic, but...

So, if a pilot of 313 sq flies a F-16 with 312sq badge, it still belongs to 313sq? How do you now ( or do photograph pilots instead? )

I look at the aircraft, note down the badge and wrote down the squadron.
If it changes for whatever reason the next day, I write down that squadron.

That is a definition as well and equally true.

( and I hate maintenance squadrons, they suck...)

[frank kramer]

138 Morane-Saulnier MS-406-C1

This is a Dornier D-3801 ex SwissAF J-143 HB-RCF c/n 194.
Painted as a FrenchAF MS.406 C-1 s/n 138

Hans

One small correction; it is technically not a Dornier. Swiss Air Force historians refer to it as D-3801 Morane Saulnier MS-506 C-1. The D-3801 aircraft was produced in Switzerland under licence from Morane Saulnier (where it was known as the MS 506 because of its 1000hp Hispano-Suiza HS51-12-Y engine -the 406 had a 860 hp Hispano-Suiza HS-77-Y-). Three Swiss companies built the aircraft, serialled J-91 through J-297: Eidg. Flugzeugwerk (F+W) Emmen, Doflug Altenrhein and SWS from Schlieren. To my knowledge, Doflug was set up by Dornier but not legally a part of Dornier and only produced aircraft on behalf of the Swiss AF. And, in case someone might ask, the licence contract was signed between the Swiss government and Morane Saulnier in 1938, so well before the war..

yes, I know, historians DO love nitpicking .. and I'm one of them

[orange]

there are no fixed squadrons. if a 313 pilot is flying the a/c it belonged to 313 sqn. if the same day a 312 pilot is flying it belonged to 312. doesn't matter what is shown on the a/c

WTF? What if a 312 pilot and 313 pilot share a twoseat F-16? The aircraft belongs to the squadron of the frontseater or what?

Trust me, every squadron at Volkel has its own complement of F-16s belonging to that very squadron.

[Jeroen Jonkers]

The Italian Eurofighters both had 36 Stormo markings.

Jeroen Jonkers

[Bart]

The EF2000's had 36 Stormo mks (Lightnig and eagle on the tail) and also the mks of the 12 Gruppo (bow with arrow and a stallion (horse) behind the canard). Very nice to see some new unit colors.
Cheers

[Richard from Rotterdam]

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WTF? What if a 312 pilot and 313 pilot share a twoseat F-16? The aircraft belongs to the squadron of the frontseater or what?

Trust me, every squadron at Volkel has its own complement of F-16s belonging to that very squadron.

Luckily for you there are virtually no operational twoseat F-16s left within the KLu inventory...

Anyhow, when you take a picture of the plane and you look at it after 20 odd years, you'll say "Hey a 312sq F-16", I doubt it you'll be thinking "wasn't that one flown by a 311 pilot back then??"

[Wolfshound32]

Hello Guys.

The Volkel based Sqn's have their own planes. But they rotate in a "wing". For example a 312 Sqn plane flow by a 313 pilot stays a 312 Sqn plane. And if a pilot from 312 Sqn has flown in a plane from 311 Sqn it stays a 311 Sqn plane. Why the stickers. If 312 Sqn goes to Reims with a PR-stand and if you want to sell some stuff it is better to show where the planes are from. So the J-515 from 311 Sqn gets a 312 Sqn sticker. And the J-641 is "recently" painted "updated to M4" and had no sqn sign. The J-641 is from 312 sqn so they stick a nice big 312 sticker...........

[The DJ]

Do these photos show the miserable first landing attempt of one of the LN Eagles, nearly ending in disaster?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1AU3cQ8yw[/youtube]

[ricardo smit]

never saw an eagle in afterburner with speedbrake extendet,great shot

[Richard de Florennes]

REIMS-CHAMPAGNE MONDAY 2007-06-29 (mainly)RW25
Weather: scattered/broken clouds, sunny spells, moderate wind, cool

Based aircraft (ER01.033, ER02.033, EC03.033):
Mirage F.1CT EC03.033 260/ - - - spec c/s T09:18
Mirage F.1CT EC03.033 273/112-QF T12:17
Mirage F.1CR ER01.033 642/112-CG T12:18
Mirage F.1CR ER02.033 641/112-NI T12:18
Mirage F.1CR ER02.033 650/112-NZ T13:29
Mirage F.1CR ER02.033 654/112-NC T13:29
Mirage F.1CR ER02.033 611/112-NM T14:02

Visiting aircraft (all departing after “Meeting du Centenaire”):
SA.342M 5 RHC 4109/BPK T09:00
JAS39C F21 39270/270 T09:09
JAS39C F21 39815/815 T09:09
JAS39C F21 39211/211 T09:09
CM.170 Private F-GPCJ T09:23
Mirage 2000N EC02.004 313/116-BG T09:30
Mirage 2000N EC02.004 310/116-BE T09:31
Mirage 2000N EC02.004 349/4-BM T09:31
Mirage 2000N EC02.004 374/4-BS T10:43
A.109BA Heli Wing H42 T09:35
F-16AM 2 Wing FA68/FS T09:40
Alpha Jet E EPAA20.300 E165/9 demo c/s T09:47
Alpha Jet E EPAA20.300 E158/0 demo c/s T09:47
F-16AM 313 Sqn J-015 demo c/s T09:52
F-16AM 312 Sqn J-016 T09:52
PC-7 Pilotenrekrute A-918 T09:56
PC-7 Pilotenrekrute A-913 T09:56
PC-7 Pilotenrekrute A-939 T09:56
PC-7 Pilotenrekrute A-926 T09:56
PC-7 Pilotenrekrute A-925 T09:56
PC-7 Pilotenrekrute A-930 T09:56
PC-7 Pilotenrekrute A-928 T09:56
PC-7 Pilotenrekrute A-937 T09:56
PC-7 Pilotenrekrute A-935 T09:56
PC-7 Pilotenrekrute A-922 T09:56
(these ten aircraft formed the Swiss Air Force “PC-7 Team”)
Alpha Jet E EPAA20.300 E122/1 demo c/s T10:09 +flypast
Alpha Jet E EPAA20.300 E134/2 demo c/s T10:09 +flypast
Alpha Jet E EPAA20.300 E163/3 demo c/s T10:09 +flypast
Alpha Jet E EPAA20.300 E135/4 demo c/s T10:09 +flypast
Alpha Jet E EPAA20.300 E95 /5 demo c/s T10:09 +flypast
Alpha Jet E EPAA20.300 E114/6 demo c/s T10:09 +flypast
Alpha Jet E EPAA20.300 E94 /7 demo c/s T10:09 +flypast
Alpha Jet E EPAA20.300 E117/8 demo c/s T10:09 +flypast
(these Alpha Jets formed the "Patrouille de France" display team)
F-16AM 311 Sqn J-515 T10:14 +flypast
F-16AM 312 Sqn J-641 T10:14 +flypast
Alpha Jet 1B+ AJetS AT31 T10:20
Rafale B EB01.091 335/113-IJ T10:35
Rafale B EB01.091 336/113-IK T10:35
Rafale B EB01.091 327/113-HZ T10:35
Alpha Jet E AJetS E110/314-AH T10:25
Alpha Jet E AJetS E101/314-TT T10:25
Alpha Jet E AJetS E103/314-UH T10:39
Tornado IDS JaboG 31 44+75 T10:41
EF.2000 4°Stormo MM7284/4-21 T10:52
EF.2000 4°Stormo MM7296/ - - T10:52
F-15E 494thFS 00-3003/LN r T10:59
F-15E 494thFS 00-3004/LN r T10:59
C.101EB Ala 79 E.25-40/'1' demo c/s T11:03 +flypast
C.101EB Ala 79 E.25-52/'2' demo c/s T11:03 +flypast
C.101EB Ala 79 E.25-69/'3' demo c/s T11:03 +flypast
C.101EB Ala 79 E.25-12/'4' demo c/s T11:03 +flypast
C.101EB Ala 79 E.25-21/'5' demo c/s T11:03 +flypast
C.101EB Ala 79 E.25-38/'6' demo c/s T11:03 +flypast
C.101EB Ala 79 E.25-22/'7' demo c/s T11:03 +flypast
C.101EB Ala 79 E.25-13/'1' demo c/s T11:03 +flypast
(these seven CASAs formed the "Patrulla Aguila" display team)
F-16AM 10 Wing FA116/- no badge T11:26 +flypast
F-16AM 10 Wing FA134/- demo c/s T11:26 +flypast
Alpha Jet A 103 Esq 15211 spec c/s T11:35
Alpha Jet A 103 Esq 15202 demo c/s T11:35
Alpha Jet A 103 Esq 15208 demo c/s T11:35
Alpha Jet A 103 Esq 15227 demo c/s T11:35
(these four Alpha Jets formed the "Asas de Portugal" display team)
Tornado GR.4 2 Sqn ZG792/138 no badge T11:48
Tornado GR.4 2 Sqn ZD890/113 T11:48
Hawk T.1 100 Sqn XX331/CP T11:51
Hawk T.1 208 Sqn XX314/314 T11:51
Mirage 2000C EC02.012 117/103-LD spec c/s T09:20
Mirage 2000D EC03.003 605/133-LF T12:09
L-39C Breitling ES-YLI demo c/s T12:26
C-160R ET00.064 R205/64-GE grey c/s T09:54
C-160R ET00.064 R217/64-GQ camo c/s T13:57

Additional movements (support aircraft for airshow participants):
Beech 1900D LTDB T-729 L08:58 T10:00
C.295M Ala 35 T.21-01/35-39 L11:57 T13:04
Hercules C.5 LTW ZH881/881 dark c/s L12:15 T13:38
TBM.700A CEAM 95/XH L14:00 T14:25

[The DJ]

Anyone noted the 2 Mirage F1's in the shelterpark on the Northside on Sunday? My first thought was that these were the 2 GI aircraft, but i believe these are in blue c/s and the other in desert c/s so it couldn't be them. Did the 2, that flew on Saturday with the PdF Alpha-Jet, land or did they flew back to St Dizier?

[Eric van Lisdonk]

Hi DJ,

I can confirm the two arrived back in Reims together with the PDF Alpha Jet.

Cheers,
Eric

[Piet Luijken]

Anyone noted the 2 Mirage F1's in the shelterpark on the Northside on Sunday? My first thought was that these were the 2 GI aircraft, but i believe these are in blue c/s and the other in desert c/s so it couldn't be them. Did the 2, that flew on Saturday with the PdF Alpha-Jet, land or did they flew back to St Dizier?

Yeah, the tails were visible but no serial could be read.

I did see one F-1 in desert camo, do you know which one this is?

[The DJ]

Thanks Eric, so it could be these two......

Piet, the desert F1 is 81, and the blue one 64.

Regards,
DJ

[DJMikey]

Piet, the desert F1 is 81, and the blue one 64.

Regards,
DJ

Do you mean then the serials 281 and 264?