Airbus Vueling vs Mirage 2000 (intercepted?)

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Re: Airbus Vueling vs Mirage 2000 (intercepted?)

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Thanks for the info Banter!
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Re: Airbus Vueling vs Mirage 2000 (intercepted?)

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Banter wrote:Yes , this was an intercept (although procedures say the interceptor should stay out of sight !). Crew failed to make contact with Maastricht ACC after handover from Reims. Many attempts were made to make contact including calling the Airline Ops Center in Barcelona to see if they could ACARS the aircraft. My understanding is they face paying a possible ''call out '' fee of upto 5000euro :oops:
Sorry Banter, but second part is not correct, VY8366 was entering Paris Contrôle sector 8.1 at UN858 routing DEVRO, VANAD, VADOM. The intercept took place between VANAD and VADOM at FL380 with "lost comms" with Paris Control.
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Re: Airbus Vueling vs Mirage 2000 (intercepted?)

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Although only one Mirage 2000 is visible in the video, making the close up ID of the Veuling and getting the cockpit crew's attention to respond / come on the radio, probably a second Mirage is behind in covering position behind ready to act.
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Re: Airbus Vueling vs Mirage 2000 (intercepted?)

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Huub Roem wrote:
Banter wrote:Yes , this was an intercept (although procedures say the interceptor should stay out of sight !). Crew failed to make contact with Maastricht ACC after handover from Reims. Many attempts were made to make contact including calling the Airline Ops Center in Barcelona to see if they could ACARS the aircraft. My understanding is they face paying a possible ''call out '' fee of upto 5000euro :oops:
Sorry Banter, but second part is not correct, VY8366 was entering Paris Contrôle sector 8.1 at UN858 routing DEVRO, VANAD, VADOM. The intercept took place between VANAD and VADOM at FL380 with "lost comms" with Paris Control.
Have you actually heard it was Lost comms (which is very likely in my opinion) or is it just a Asumption?
Further, check this link, search for UN858 and you will notice they should have worked with Brest instead of Paris accoarding that document when flying UN858. Please Advise?

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Re: Airbus Vueling vs Mirage 2000 (intercepted?)

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High altitude airway UN858 runs northbound from Brest into Paris ARTCC (between BOKNO and DEVRO, just south of Tours), I assume they never checked in with Paris.
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Re: Airbus Vueling vs Mirage 2000 (intercepted?)

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S&B extra wrote:High altitude airway UN858 runs northbound from Brest into Paris ARTCC (between BOKNO and DEVRO, just south of Tours), I assume they never checked in with Paris.
I stand corrected, Many thanks!
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Re: Airbus Vueling vs Mirage 2000 (intercepted?)

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Yes, you are right Paris must be Brest....!! Paris UAC < FL285 Brest UAC > FL285. Lost comms is the most likely, not heard Joost.
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Re: Airbus Vueling vs Mirage 2000 (intercepted?)

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Hi, didn't anybody pick up any ATC comms regarding this intercept. If This is an alpha scramble because pilot did not respond to ATC calls, shouldn't the pilot or the Mirage contact ATC once he finished checking out the aircraft?
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Re: Airbus Vueling vs Mirage 2000 (intercepted?)

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Piet Luijken wrote:
In all my years above france or else i have never been intercepted, boehoeh.

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That's your own fault, you always nicely do what those French guys ask ;-) It isn't that hard to change to the wrong freq isn't it ;-)
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