Moderator: gatso76
Interesting to realise: just this week the decision has been taken at ministery-level that AF-KLM's share in HSL-south is to be terminated as a part of a try to save these railwayservices.Key wrote:No wonder Air France-KLM has such interest in high-speed rail connections.
KLM still operates that sector, with a Fokker 70. I think there are something like 5 daily flights, so they must earn some money on those flights, otherwise they would have reduced the frequencies?Key wrote: Reflecting on this with an example from close to my home, it's sort of ridiculous to fly jets from Amsterdam to Brussels, never reaching anything like an economic cruising level. That is indeed a huge waste of fuel, while there was at least some economics in the route when served by turboprops.
The money is in the transit passenger flying something like BRU-AMS-USA/Asia. Most passengers like that will prefer to fly BRU-AMS instead of taking the train because of their onword connection. If the only option would be the train on that segment I bet most will opt for another connection where there is no train segment.Gietje wrote:KLM still operates that sector, with a Fokker 70. I think there are something like 5 daily flights, so they must earn some money on those flights, otherwise they would have reduced the frequencies?Key wrote: Reflecting on this with an example from close to my home, it's sort of ridiculous to fly jets from Amsterdam to Brussels, never reaching anything like an economic cruising level. That is indeed a huge waste of fuel, while there was at least some economics in the route when served by turboprops.
Interesting that you mention DHC and not ATR. Where DHC thought they had a good alternative with a fast and quiet DHC.8, it is ATR that now is dominating the market with the ATR.72-600. If my memory serves me correctly ATR has about 100 orders on the year, where DHC only has a handful.Key wrote:DHC of course is a tough exemption to the rule, having developed a turboprop with near-jet performance and high-tec installations to counter the noise.
Ah, that was my locally-biased view... Thanks for putting it right!ehusmann wrote:Interesting that you mention DHC and not ATR. Where DHC thought they had a good alternative with a fast and quiet DHC.8, it is ATR that now is dominating the market with the ATR.72-600.
Fuel prices will not drop to a level we were used to 5 years ago. Why? The oil price is usually high in a time of high economic growth (demand outperforming production) and low in a time of economic downturn. The reason the oil price is high now, has to do with unrest on the market in general. The moment the 'stress' has passed, economic growth will then take the place of the insecurity as the reason why the oil price is high. And since the oil is increasingly difficult to find and the places where it is available are becoming more 'interesting' (remote and/or deep) the cost for oil will increase even without demand increasing or production dropping...ehusmann wrote:If fuel prices drop again
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