Su-24 shot down near Syrian/Turkish border

[Kuine]

http://haber.dha.com.tr/newpics/news/25 ... 216062.mp4

This is supposed to be a recording of the warnings issued by the Turkish Air Force to the Russian Su-24.
Not very clearly readable, to say the least

Glad i'm not a pilot,i was shot down all the time with this kind of warnings..
WTF are they saying???

[F17_114PM]

Russia bombed today a rescue convoy at Azaz, Syria near Turkey border. The rescue convoy send food pointed to refugees. At least seven dead and ten wounded.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/utrik ... 1832419.ab

Now, that´s almost funny ... Here you cann clearly see how news are beeing manipulated in one or another country.
In the german News, they said, that this particular convoy was transporting building material and weapons to the Turkmens in northern Syria.
Whom should we now believe ... the swedish or the germans ...; I guess better nobody ...

P.S.: Ehusmann, I understand your position, but I can not agree with you in the total

[BirdieBarty]

Just lovely to read all these different messages here.
I´m a militair myself... in or out Syria... everybody knows it´s a war zone there. Besides many of these comments are based on media speculation.
Truth is... a plane got shot down after multiple warnings in a war zone... end of story.
You guys complaining now about the higher gas rates now Russia closes down the pipes.

[Kuine]

Russia is considering the possibility of sending 10-12 more fighter aircraft to the Hmeymim Air Base in Syria to ensure cover for each of its 24 bombers, the Russian Kommersant newspaper reports citing a military source.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/2015112 ... z3saDwcx2F

[BlackBird]

The first casualty when war comes is truth

US Senator Hiram Warren Johnson (1918).

Since then, nothting has changed

[Gerard]

http://haber.dha.com.tr/newpics/news/25 ... 216062.mp4

This is supposed to be a recording of the warnings issued by the Turkish Air Force to the Russian Su-24.
Not very clearly readable, to say the least

Glad i'm not a pilot,i was shot down all the time with this kind of warnings..
WTF are they saying???

Well, at around 0:50 I can identify:
"This is Turkish Air Force speaking on guard, you are approaching Turkish territory, change your heading south immediately", but the rest, except for a few repetitions of this sentence,

[Agfaritsrats]

"Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan" and "truth differs upon perspective".
The Turk AF AIM-9 seems to have struck the Su-24 while over Syria. (Not denied by any party afaik.) The Fencer pilot said they never knew what hit them (? Su's not having missile warning indicators?) But, did Turkey, by firing into Syria, in turn violate Syrian airspace?
Turk. AF did fly over Iraq on many occasions against Kurd PKK, but (afaik) was never attacked by Iraqi AA / AF (so far).
If this Su-24 was not shot down deliberately as ordered by its fighter controllers, you can always have systems go down, or people making errors or even failing to comply with the Rules of Engagements. Like the AC-130 Spectre crew and coordinators in a recent attack (everything went wrong (they claim) striking the wrong 'safe' place). Several US forces individuals are now suspended and are pending sanctions or mil.court, statement US yesterday. VID & DETAILS: KLIK HERE

[De Verrekieker]

Also Novosibirisk Tolmachevo. Here is ... /VVS 2015.

hI Hammaro, here are some updates.

213yellow is the RF-95586 (8AMTS00643137384U)
214yellow is the RF-95587 (8AMTS00643137385U)
221yellow is the RF-95588 (8AMTS00643137386U)
222yellow is the RF-95589 (8AMTS00643137387U)
231yellow is the RF-95592 (8AMTS00643137401U)
233yellow is the RF-95594 (8AMTS00643137402U)
241yellow only RF- (8AMTS00643137404U)
244yellow is the RF-95599 (8AMTS00643137407U)
253yellow is the RF-95602 (8AMTS00643137410U)
254yellow only RF- (8AMTS00643137411U)

All 562AvB AA

Greetz.

[hammarö]

Great Verrekleker.

[atla]

The Turkish warned the plane ten times in five minutes... yeah right...

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/belgia ... ussian-jet

[ehusmann]

Hmm, bad scientists. If I look at the map, it looks like the aircraft crossed the same area of Turkey twice. This is also what I read from an earlier statement (please correct me if not the case). If you take the 980 km/h, that is 272 m/s. 2km is travelled in 7.3 seconds, but in 8.5 seconds you travel 2.3 km. 2.3km is still about 2km (they do not give the exact distance). And if the jet indeed crossed twice, it indeed spent 17 seconds in Turkish airspace. So, the Turkish statement would be correct.

Furthermore, if they started warning the plane already before the first crossing (which is perfectly likely) and again before the second, then the 5 minutes is not weird either. Not for 5 minutes straight, but in a timespan of a few minutes, which most people would describe as 5 minutes as it is the smallest number of minutes usually used to describe a short timeframe.

So if the assumption that the jet crossed Turkey twice is correct, then the Turkish side of the story actually checks out and the scientist made a fool of themselves...

Erwin

[Slijfie]

... If you take the 980 km/h, that is 272 m/s. 2km is travelled in 7.3 seconds...

What puzzles me: in the video you can see the wings of the Sukhoi in the forward position. When flying 980 km/h? At what speed do they fold the wings?

[Gerard]

What puzzles me: in the video you can see the wings of the Sukhoi in the forward position. When flying 980 km/h? At what speed do they fold the wings?

The aircraft most probably has no hydraulic pressure anymore. Maybe that causes the wings to move forward

[FredL]

Lucky Turkish Top guns !!
What a chance the F-16Cs were just right there at the very right moment during those (alleged, still not proven) 2 x 7 seconds (or unique few seconds) lasting air space violation(s) and, after the (also alleged) 10 warnings, managed to
1. put themself in firing position,
2. then get an AIM-9 lock on,
3. and finally fire the sidewinder on this Su-24 which was probably already quite far, out of Turkish air.

Comic books hero "Lucky Lucke" usually manages to do that ; shooting faster then his own shadow.
If some people were not dead, I would conclude with this humour point.
But regarding the situation it is just sensless,

Or maybe we all would beter wait until more information emerge (if it does one day...). I guess there are just too many hypotheses and speculations while almost nothing proven, from both sides, right now.

[Fishbed_9307]

Lucky Turkish Top guns !!
What a chance the F-16Cs were just right there at the very right moment during those (alleged, still not proven) 2 x 7 seconds (or unique few seconds) lasting air space violation(s) and, after the (also alleged) 10 warnings, managed to
1. put themself in firing position,
2. then get an AIM-9 lock on,
3. and finally fire the sidewinder on this Su-24 which was probably already quite far, out of Turkish air.

Comic books hero "Lucky Lucke" usually manages to do that ; shooting faster then his own shadow.
If some people were not dead, I would conclude with this humour point.
But regarding the situation it is just sensless,

Or maybe we all would beter wait until more information emerge (if it does one day...). I guess there are just too many hypotheses and speculations while almost nothing proven, from both sides, right now.

Apparently there is another way to solve this kind of incursions: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/204072

As you suggest FredL; the Turks appear to be extremely trigger happy and one might wonder on which side they really are.

Regards, Paul