B737 Air Ukraine Down (Tehran) 08-01-2020

[oost spotter]

[Stratofreighter]

Video on Twitter-account of BBC Iran Affairs correspondent:
https://twitter.com/alihashem_tv/status ... 50/video/1

Same video, with logo of newschannel a bit too much "watermarked"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRc31DTStwA

Local residents videotaped an aircraft, presumably the UIA Boeing 737-800, while climbing out of Tehran, losing height and impacting ground.

The voice on the video says he was in Ferdowsi Quarter of Shahriah (approx. position N35.5973 E51.0239 about 4nm southsouthwest of Shahriah),
the aircraft was on fire (which obviously prompted the person to start filming),
following some expressions of fear and asking for divine support for the people the voice states he now needed to call the fire department.

The approximate position of the filmer is about 5nm northwest of the crash site.

Aviation Herald, updated by the hour:
http://avherald.com/h?article=4d1aea51&opt=0

...in the comments sections of above link:

More information is needed at this time.

I am going to disable comments on this coverage if the finger pointing continues like "the US did this" or "the Iran did this".

http://avherald.com/h?comment=4d1aea51&opt=0

[gozoman]

When you look at the altitude and speed graph, one can see that the speed didn't increase in the last 45 seconds of the flight. The altitude did increase.
Strangely there are no data transmitted while in the downwards phase before the crash. Does this indicate that the electricity on board suddenly stopped? Maybe because of an explosion aboard or missile hit?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 2#23732569

[Bennie]

When you look at the altitude and speed graph, one can see that the speed didn't increase in the last 45 seconds of the flight. The altitude did increase.
Strangely there are no data transmitted while in the downwards phase before the crash. Does this indicate that the electricity on board suddenly stopped? Maybe because of an explosion aboard or missile hit?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 2#23732569

When the data source is FlightRadar, it could just mean that ADS-B and/or the transponder failed.

[gozoman]

But the question is why.

[Stratofreighter]

...another video of the last few seconds of this flight, this time taken from a moving car:
https://www.facebook.com/DylanMalyasov/ ... 141480834/


'suppose
http://avherald.com/h?article=4d1aea51&opt=0
will be updated again this afternoon.

US investigators have been denied access, other countries are welcome, though.
Must say that it isn't the Iranian accident investigation board banning the Americans, it is the politicians...

Both cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder were found with impact and fire damage,
the memory units are available however also show physical damage on main parts.

The AIB sent initial notifications of the accident to Ukraine as country of registration and operation of the aircraft,
to the USA as manufacturer,
Sweden and Canada as applicants whose nationals were involved in the accident.

The AIB requested the Ukraine to participate in the investigation.

In accordance with the Chicago Convention the Iranian AIB invites all states,
that are recognized as participants into the accident investigation by this document, to accredit representatives.
A team of Ukrainian experts are already being dispatched to Iran.

[gozoman]

"CNN's Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr said the US believes Iran mistakenly shot down the Ukrainian plane, explaining that Iranian troops may have believed they were under attack.
She explained that one possibility being considered is that "the Iranian missile unit, the troops on the ground in Iran at that point, perhaps saw something on their own radar returned, perhaps thought they were under attack and fired.""

[Stratofreighter]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/09/poli ... index.html

Trudeau says Canada has intelligence Iran shot down Ukrainian airliner

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/09/reuters ... e-jet.html

CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU SAYS
WE HAVE INTELLIGENCE FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES
THAT IRAN SHOT DOWN UKRAINE JET

Published Thu, Jan 9 2020
2:43 PM EST

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/intelli ... -1.4759850

Trudeau said he had been in touch with several world leaders since the crash,
including Prime Minister Mark Rutte of the Netherlands,
whose government led the investigation into the 2014 crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

Trudeau said Thursday that Canada has pushed Iran to allow Canadian investigators to take part in the probe,
but that their participation has not been confirmed.

The plane’s black box, which could provide pivotal clues for investigators, remains in Iran.
Trudeau said that Iran has agreed to grant Ukrainian investigators access to the box,
but does not intend to let it out of the country.

Not sure whether the pics below are indeed connected to this very unfortunate incident, or not.

https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1 ... 8388899840

A number of people have asked why the front of the Tor missile survives intact.
As the below diagram shows, the warhead (marked 13) is not in the front of the missile, but about midway.
Source
http://library.voenmeh.ru/cnau/09ZffWX1yllVMet.pdf

[gozoman]

On CNN a video can be seen which clearly shows a fast flying missile hitting a target. It could be the hitting of the Ukrainian airliner. It is best visible on full screen.
https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live ... e0037e79ff

Bellingcat has geotagged the video and shows a video with explanation.
https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1 ... 0749828097