3rd CAB helicopters outbound Europe

[EvD]

As for the replacement theory, 1 CAB has left the European theatre last year (and is operating the AH-64E), so I think you mean the upcoming 101st CAB? They however are also operating the E-version?! Time will tell!

Nope, 1CAB left some Chinooks behind last time.

Three Apaches were left behind on one of the earlier occasions, by 6-17th CAV / 4th CAB:
5582
7037
7038
These arrived July 2018 in Bremerhaven and left January 2019

Erwin

[Richard from Rotterdam]

Hi,

This port location has been used by Uniport (container terminal) which ceased operations earlier this year. So there should be space available. Helicopter operations are expected between June 30th and July 27th (at the address Zaltbommelweg 10, which is/was the office location of Uniport) . This could turn out to be a much more accessible location (i.e. much more visible) than the one used during the previous operations. Brings back memories of standing at the Eendracht Roeiers location at the Streefwaalseweg to observe the US Army helicopter ops in the Eemhaven (address Spekenburgweg) in 80's.

We will find out.

Humphrey

I was at Heijplaat / Roeiersvereniging De Eendracht on unrelated business on Tuesday and views from there towards the suggested landing docks is very difficult with business premises in between on the Heijplaatweg. The Hellouwstraat itself is portside, so not accessible to the general public.

The quays/docks themselves are vast but as far as I recall there were still quite a few sea containers on the premises.

Sun angle wise my guess would be either Waalhaven NZ / Sluisjeskade, depending on their routing.

edit: on the other hand, they may do the same thing here as they did in Zeebrugge: parking the choppers in a zoned off area of the docks, behind walls of containers.

[Edwin]

Three Apaches were left behind on one of the earlier occasions, by 6-17th CAV / 4th CAB:
5582
7037
7038
These arrived July 2018 in Bremerhaven and left January 2019

Erwin

Erwin, in total four 'newer' 6-17th CAV AH-64Ds were swapped with four 'older' 1-3rd AVN Apaches. The 'newer' Apaches 5582, 5626, 7037 and 7038 should still be present with 1-3rd AVN.

EvD, you are correct, these are indeed former Ansbach machines, but showing 3rd CAB markings now! So could it be that 12th CAB/1-3 Avn is once again in the process of moving their "older" Apaches along with 3rd CAB's return to CONUS and finally obtaing newer E-models? Possibly 101st leaving (some) of them here?

Sjoerd, can you confirm that the two 'extra' Apaches (7014 and 5543) actually wear 3rd CAB markings and indeed are new transfers? Or could it be that they just are returning back home to Germany after a joint exercise?

The new incoming unit, 1-101st AVN, is indeed operating AH-64Es.

Best regards,
Edwin

[jurgen]

Erwin,

Here a picture of the 014


https://www.flugzeugforum.de/threads/fl ... 13&slide=0

[Sjoerd]

And the picture of 5543, same source;
https://www.flugzeugforum.de/attachment ... g.1376395/

[jurgen]

Here an overview of all movements I have found of this redeployment.
Info from this forum, the Skybird Dresden forum and sightings on ADS-B.
Any additional info would be very much appreciated.
Hope the format is ok'ish.

ETIK Illesheim
LHDC Debrecen
LHPA Papa
LOWL Linz
LRBS Baneasa
LRCK Constanta
LRSB Sibiu

22 June 2020

HH-60M C/2-3rd AVN
18-21016 Volos LRCK-LRBS-LRSB

UH-60M 4-3rd AVN
11-20356 Zeebrugge
11-20357 Volos LRCK-LRBS-LRSB-LHPA
11-20358 Volos LRCK-LRBS-LRSB-LHPA
11-20360 Volos LRCK-LRBS-LRSB-LHPA
11-20364 Zeebrugge -ETIK
11-20365 Volos LRCK-LRBS-LRSB
11-20388 Zeebrugge -ETIK
11-20389 Volos LRCK-LRBS-LRSB
11-20417 Volos LRCK-LRBS-LRSB-LHPA
12-20450 Volos LRCK-LRBS-LRSB-LHPA
12-20457 Volos LRCK-LRBS-LRSB-LHPA
12-20461 Volos -ETIK


23 June 2020

HH-60M C/2-3rd AVN
10-20310 Volos LRSB-LHDC-LHPA-LOWL-ETIK
12-20506 Volos LRSB-LHDC-LHPA-LOWL-ETIK
18-21016 Volos LRSB-LHDC-LHPA-LOWL-ETIK

UH-60M 4-3rd AVN
11-20357 Volos LHPA-ETIK
11-20358 Volos LHPA-ETIK
11-20360 Volos LHPA-ETIK
11-20365 Volos LRSB-LHDC-LHPA-LOWL-ETIK
11-20386 Volos LRSB-LHDC-LHPA-LOWL-ETIK
11-20389 Volos LRSB-LHDC-LHPA-LOWL-ETIK
11-20417 Volos LHPA-ETIK
12-20450 Volos LHPA-ETIK
12-20457 Volos LHPA-ETIK


24 June 2020

HH-60M C/2-3rd AVN
13-20615 Volos -EDDC-ETIK
13-20616 Volos -EDDC-ETIK
14-20679 Volos -EDDC-ETIK

UH-60M 4-3rd AVN
11-20416 Volos LRCK-LRSB-LHDC-LHPA
11-20428 Volos LRCK-LRSB-LHDC-LHPA
12-20455 Volos -EDDC-ETIK
12-20458 Volos LRCK-LRSB-LHDC-LHPA
12-20460 Volos -EDDC-ETIK

AH-64D 3/17th CAV
02-05316 ex 1-3rd AVN -EDDC-ETIK
02-05321 ex 1-3rd AVN -EDDC-ETIK
03-05395 Volos -EDDC-ETIK
04-05429 ex 1-3rd AVN -EDDC-ETIK
04-05444 ex 1-3rd AVN -EDDC-ETIK
04-05453 ex 1-3rd AVN -EDDC-ETIK
06-07014 ex 1-3rd AVN -EDDC-ETIK
08-05543 ex 1-3rd AVN -EDDC-ETIK

25 June 2020

UH-60M 4-3rd AVN
11-20362 Zeebrugge ETIK-ETIK
11-20416 Volos LHPA-LOWL-ETIK
11-20428 Volos LHPA-LOWL-ETIK
12-20458 Volos LHPA-LOWL-ETIK

[Flyboy]

Great report Jurgen Thanks!!

[Sjoerd]

[quote="jurgen"]

AH-64D 3/17th CAV
02-05316 ex 1-3rd AVN -EDDC-ETIK
02-05321 ex 1-3rd AVN -EDDC-ETIK
03-05395 Volos -EDDC-ETIK
04-05429 ex 1-3rd AVN -EDDC-ETIK
04-05444 ex 1-3rd AVN -EDDC-ETIK
04-05453 ex 1-3rd AVN -EDDC-ETIK
06-07014 ex 1-3rd AVN -EDDC-ETIK
08-05543 ex 1-3rd AVN -EDDC-ETIK

Thanks for the summary Jurgen!
How sure are you on the above ex 1-3 Avn all being 3 CAB (3/17th CAV)? Only 543, 014 and 321 show the Marne striping on the engine cowling. 429, 444, 453 and 316 still show the (triangle/triangle) company symbols from 1-3rd Avn on the engine cowling

[closedloop01]

Good Day all,

3-17AVN give up 14 newer aircraft to 1-3AVN and older ones to 3-17AVN!

3-17AVN AH-64D:
02-05316, 05321, 05326
03-05370, 05384, 05389, 05395, 05403
04-05419, 05426, 05429, 05431, 05439, 05444, 05453
05-07002, 07003, 07010
06-07014, 07020, 05518, 05535, 05543, 05548

1-3AVN AH-64D:
07-07038, 07043, 07045, 07046
08-05550, 07048, 07049, 07051
09-05580, 05581, 05582, 05585, 05587, 05589, 05591, 05592, 05596, 05597, 05601, 05602, 05604
10-05620, 05626

07-07037 to CCAD damaged

[Ronaldsnl]

11-20387 now flying from ETIK in NE direction. This is one of the 3 CAB birds who arrived Last October via Chievres

Ronald

[Antilliaan]

Refer to Jurgen’s list:

20357
20358
20360
20450
20455

All confirmed at Illesheim early morning Thursday 25 June.

[Sjoerd]

Good Day all,

3-17AVN give up 14 newer aircraft to 1-3AVN and older ones to 3-17AVN!

3-17AVN AH-64D:
02-05316, 05321, 05326
03-05370, 05384, 05389, 05395, 05403
04-05419, 05426, 05429, 05431, 05439, 05444, 05453
05-07002, 07003, 07010
06-07014, 07020, 05518, 05535, 05543, 05548

1-3AVN AH-64D:
07-07038, 07043, 07045, 07046
08-05550, 07048, 07049, 07051
09-05580, 05581, 05582, 05585, 05587, 05589, 05591, 05592, 05596, 05597, 05601, 05602, 05604
10-05620, 05626

07-07037 to CCAD damaged

So basically swapping 14 airframes with 1-3rd Avn and taking the oldest ones back to CONUS.

[Antheii]

R20387 (as 11-20387) shows on ADSB flying SWW from Dresden, so probably to ETIK.

[theguide]

R20387 (as 11-20387) shows on ADSB flying SWW from Dresden, so probably to ETIK.

If I remember correctly 20387 flew South to North this morning.

[Antheii]

The four arriving at EHEH this afternoon have been confirmed (from Photo) as (thanks to Alex N);

CH-47F 13-08146
UH-60M ..-20397
AH64D ..-07010, ..-05518

(edited the Blackhawk)