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Thanks Wijgert, the list looks better and better. Especially the Greek Super Puma would be nice! Thanks for the hints on other pages with participants lists. By the way, just found the italianvipers forum last wednesday: very handy as it provided me with the serial of a Brazilian Hercules that I saw at Verona tuesday 6/5.

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Hi all,

new update published (see the last of the links given by Wijgert in his post). Added among others:
-Austrian PC-7 on static
-Hungarian Mi-24 flying display

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Looks like the Greeks have gone from the list today :cry:
They've added Italian AV-8Bs, A129 Mangusta, EH-101 and NH-90 to the flying display though :D
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As can be read on Italianvipers.com in a press release by the Ufficio Pubblica Informazione of the Aeronautica Militare, there will be a 40min. tactical demo during the airshow (hmmmm....where have I seen that before? :lol: ). It will consist of the following:

2x Typhoon
2x Tornado
2x AMX
2x HH-3F
1x AB212
1x C-27J
1x C-130J

Kind regards,

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A bit of surfing resulted in this plan:

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The same structure as every year, only with different participants.

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Hi all...


First a logs of all the stuff that was seen except for the static and flightline near the flightline... stuff in brackets was not read by us..

Here we go..

Hangar 15St (Friday evening)

NH500D MM81252, MM81253
NH500E MM81307/72-44
AB212AM MM81157, MM81161, MM81190
AB412EP MM81694/CFS-30

Around 15 St Area (Friday evening)
HH-3F MM80974/15-01 inside tenthangar
HH-3F MM80976/15-03 in the back
HH-3F MM80988/15-19 inside tenthangar
HH-3F MM80991/15-22 inside tenthangar
HH-3F MM81339/15-27 behind tenthangar
HH-3F MM81343/15-31 in front of hangar
HH-3F MM81345/15-33 in the back


Guardia di Finanza
AB47G.2 MM80084/GF-1 pres entrance
NH-500MC MM80961/GF-59 pres entrance

A109A-II
MM81191/GF-125, MM81204/GF-127, MM81334/GF-133
MM81371/GF-138, MM81388/GF-139, MM81389/GF-140

A109C
MM81390/GF-141

AB412HP
MM81443/GF-201, MM81453/GF-208, MM81455/GF-210, MM81457/GF-212, MM81465/GF-213, MM81506/GF-218, MM81507/GF-219, MM81508/GF-220, MM81509/GF-221, MM81510/GF-222

NH-500MC/MD
MM80995/GF-71, MM80997/GF-73, MM80998/GF-74, MM80999/GF-75,
MM81000/GF-76, MM81001/GF-77, MM81003/GF-79, MM81004/GF-80,
MM81009/GF-85, MM81059/GF-101, MM81060/GF-102, MM81061/GF-103,
MM81062/GF-104, MM81063/GF-105, MM81065/GF-107, MM81139/GF-119,
MM81218/GF-129

P166DL-3-SEM1
MM25173/GF-03, MM25174/GF-04, MM25178/GF-08,

P180
MM62249/GF-19

Polizia di Stato
A109A-II
(MM80742)PS-42, PS-61, MM81645/PS-63

AB206B-3
PS-65, PS-83, PS-84 (damaged)

AB212
PS-43, MM81647/PS-70, PS-93

AW109N
(MM81704)PS-107

P.68OBS
PS-A94, PS-B03, PS-B07, PS-B10

Carabinieri
A109A
MM81106/CC-87, MM81108/CC-90, MM81110/CC-92, MM81131/CC-93,
MM81143/CC-96, MM81497/CC-98

A109E
MM81496/CC-89

AB206
(MM80928)/CC-50, MM90929/CC-51, MM81028/CC-64, MM81029/CC-65,
MM81031/CC-67, MM81033/CC-69, MM81035/CC-71

AB412HP
MM81166/CC-01, MM81167/CC-02, MM81189/CC-03, MM81461/CC-27,
MM81462/CC-28, MM81471/CC-31

AW109N
(MM…….)/CC-41, MM81663/CC-42, (MM81665)/CC-44

Flightline near Guardia di Finanza
Mi-24 335
EH101-413 MM81634/2-19, MM81636/2-21 1Gr
NH-90 MM81520/EI-203 1Sq Gr AVES

End of parallel runway
G222 /14-21, /14-22, /14-24
F-16C 87-0351/AV, 89-2039/AV
MB346 CMX616/002
MB339CD (MM55088)/61-160
EF2000 MM7282/4-15, /36-04
S208M /3
AMX MM7158/RS-12, +1 in special c/s

Platform between RSV and Guardia di Finanza(friday evening)
P180AM MM62160, MM62161 71Gr
P180AM MM62202, MM62203 71Gr
P166DL3-APH MM25151 (noted as 25151 but does not excist!)

Hangar behind this flightline(sunday noon)
P180AM MM62159 71Gr
2x P166-DL3/APH 71Gr

Hangar between Polizia and Carabinieri
at least 1x HH-3F

RSV Hangar (noted on friday evening)
EF2000 MM7272/36-03 RSV (on loan)
SF260EA MM55125/70-34 RSV (on loan)
Tornado CSX7041/RS-06 RSV (on loan) later to flightline
G222 (MM62152)/RS-45 RSV
G222 MM62124/RS-46 RSV
G222 MM62153/RS-46 wfu

In front of RSV Hangar (friday evening)
KC-130J MM62176/46-41 RSV (loan)
Tornado MM7078/36-30 RSV (loan)
P180 MM62164 nn

Small hangar/shed between RSV hangar and Tower
NH-500E MM81298/72-35, MM81311/72-48

Dumped on farside
HH-3F MM81338/15-26, MM81351/15-39
PD808 MM577/RS-48, MM61951, MM61952
T-33 /14-22
C-47 /50 +1

Ass always additions and corrections are more then welcome!!!

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Post by Elmar »

Oeps...

Did forget the big hangar on the static display...it contains:
P166DL3 MM25156, MM25158 71Gr
P180AM MM62200 71Gr

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Hi all,

Hereby some further additions/requests

After checking my pics from last saturday/sunday I come to the following serials (external assets only) during the air power demo in order of appearance:

Saturday 24th
MM7248 F-16A-ADF 10 Gr
MM7260 F-16A-ADF 10 Gr
MM62186/46-51 C-130J 46BA (took off from Latina earlier that day)
(MM7285)/4-16 + 1 EF.2000 9 Gr
MM700(7)/6-01 Tornado IDS 154 Gr (grey)
(MM7080)/6-33 Tornado IDS 102 Gr (grey, spec. blue tail)
(MM7025)/6-05 Tornado IDS 154 Gr (grey)
(MM7022)/6-23 Tornado IDS 154 Gr (grey)
(MM7028)/36-33 Tornado IDS 156 Gr (camo)
MM704(9)/36-42 Tornado IDS 156 Gr (camo)
(MM70)31/36-37 Tornado IDS 156 Gr (grey)
(MM7086)/36-35 Tornado IDS 156 Gr (grey)
MM7132/51-01 AMX 103 Gr
MM...../32-56 AMX-T 101 Gr (3 RMV-mks on the tail)

Sunday 25th
MM7254 F-16A-ADF 10 Gr
MM7260 F-16A-ADF 10 Gr
MM62186/46-51 C-130J 46BA
(MM7284)/4-21 + 1 EF.2000 9 Gr
MM700(7)/6-01 Tornado IDS 154 Gr (grey)
(MM7080)/6-33 Tornado IDS 102 Gr (grey, spec. blue tail)
(MM7046)/6-06 Tornado IDS 154 Gr (camo)
(MMxxxx)/6-xx Tornado IDS 154 Gr (grey)
(MM7028)/36-33 Tornado IDS 156 Gr (camo)
MM704(9)/36-42 Tornado IDS 156 Gr (camo)
(MM70)31/36-37 Tornado IDS 156 Gr (grey)
(MM7086)/36-35 Tornado IDS 156 Gr (grey)
MM7132/51-01 AMX 103 Gr
MM55031/32-54 AMX-T 101 Gr (not 100% about the 1 though!)

Now some request from my side:

Saturday 24th
Flying/visit
1x NH-500E 208 Gr (arr. 13:55/dep. 14:05, landing near Carabinieri)
1x A.109 Ragr. Carabinieri (arr. 14:00)
1x AB.412 Ragr. Carabinieri (arr. 18:10)
1x AB.412 GdiF (arr. 18:25)

Air power demo
1x EF2000 9 Gr

RSV hangar
MM62164 P.180 311 Gr

Flightlines next to RSV
1x AMX 51st? mks (could not have been RS-12 as it had a diff. badge!)
MM7157 AMX spec. c/s

Flightline with 4x P.180
1x P.166 71 Gr (could this be MM25157?)

Dump
MM61825/50 C-47ECM
MM61893/14-46 C-47


Sunday 25th

Flying/visit
1x AB.212 Polizia (PS-93?, dep around 09:00)
1x AB.412 Ragr. Carabinieri (CC-28?, dep. around 11am ish)
This one was actually read of as CC-29, but to our surprise this one was parked only 20ft away from us at that time!!

Air power demo
1x EF2000 9 Gr

Preserved
1x PD.808 ex 71 Gr (near the officers club)

AB.212 AMI query
I noted two examples in the 15 Stormo hangar as MM81157 & MM81159 (670 SC mks) and MM81161 on the apron in front of it.
However, I'm not completely sure whether the MM81159 is correct since also MM81190 also has 670 SC mks and that one was noted here the day before. I forgot to write them down and had to remember them for a couple of hrs, hence the question mark.
To make it even more complex, we noted MM81161 taking off around 17:30ish chasing the Pope SH-3D to the East. A few minutes later a second 212 (MM81157, photoproof)took off from the flightline behind the HH-3 tents. Again a few minutes later we saw three 212's on the apron in front of the 15 Stormo hangar! One being the Tiger example, but leaving us dazzled with the other two. One could be the remaing one from the hangar (MM81159 or MM81190), but which one could have been the other one? Or did both MM81159 and MM81190 reside here?

Feel free to use elsewhere, but pls use the credit.

Thanks!

Best rgds,
Sjoerd Drost

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[quote="SjoerdFlying/visit
1x AB.412 Ragr. Carabinieri (CC-28?, dep. around 11am ish)
This one was actually read of as CC-29, but to our surprise this one was parked only 20ft away from us at that time!!
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Read by us as CC-28.

Hope this helps.

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Post by Sjoerd »

Hi Lex &Crizz,

It indeed helps...a lot!! :D

Crizz, did you enjoy the show from the other side of the crowd?

Thanks,

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Sjoerd wrote:Hi Lex &Crizz,

It indeed helps...a lot!! :D

Crizz, did you enjoy the show from the other side of the crowd?

Thanks,

Sjoerd
:roll: We were at the same side... but we did enjoy.. :lol: :lol:
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Post by Otto »

Does someone have the following serials?

C-27J MM.../46-85 RSV - Flightline
AMX MM... Special c/s - Flightline
P68 PS- DEP saturday morning
P68 PS- DEP sunday morning
EF2000 MM... Solo display saturday afternoon
The regi's of the 2 WW2 aircraft - static (one with code 972)
C-130J MM..first to arrive on sunday morning (a total of 5 C-130's arrived)
A-109 MM/GF- DEP sunday morning
AB412 MM/GF- ARR sunday morning

Thanks in advance!
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Post by Otto »

Hi Christian...thanks. Only questionmark is the 1st Hercules. Noted down 5 C-130's in order of (sundays) arrival:

C-130J ??? (just after our arrival on base)
C-130J MM62190/46-56
C-130J MM62196/46-62
C-130J MM62187/46-53
C-130J MM62186/46-51
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Post by Elmar »

Hi there..

The first one was 46-62.. and did depart shortly after arrival..
Arrived back again later..

BTW on sunday between 0700lt and 0800lt a Falcon 50 or 900 arrived at Pratica..
Anyone for this one?


Hope it helps!
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Post by Michiel »

Oscar,
The regi's of the 2 WW2 aircraft - static (one with code 972)
On the 972 I did not found any serial but the otherone was the MM7841. Type MC.202
I did not checked both airframe closely but were both not just mock-up's?

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