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Re: Belgian Airforce Open Days 12-14 September 2014 KB

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Fred wrote:I take offence at the harsh criticism about the spotters' day. We have been pampered at KB by a number of very good spotters' days, which were put up on the occasion of exercises. One should bear in mind that during the day prior to a major airshow the organisers have to take many variables into account. During an exercise it may be possible to have the partcipating fast jets taxi in front of the photographers. Last Friday the organisers had to deal with fast jets, light aircraft, transports and helicopters. But also having to move them in a certain sequence so as to prevent one aircraft blocking another. Also think of all the displays personnel had to prepare. I can very well imagine that the organisers had to compromise, and we, the photographers, had to make do.
The remark that the Belgians will never reach the standards of the Netherlands air force is embarrasing to me as a Dutchman. The commentary during the 10-minute staged combat in front of the VIP-tent made clear what was happening, even though at that time no aircraft were passing by. I liked the power demo, which gave good opportunities to shoot the brandnew NH90.
Even though I can also think of some imrovements, I liked the show.
Hi Fred,

Yes you are right. Off course there are other priorities than spotters and managing aircraft movements around the base sometimes conflicts with spotters interests. For me personally I was a little bit disappointed that I paid about double the money but see less than the public on saturday.

For me personally I did not care about the money but not being able to return on saturday or sunday to see the aircraft I missed. Among these were my personal highlights Al Fursan and the Czech Mi-171's.

It was a great show though! Compliments to the organisation to gather such a great collection of aircraft. It was also great to see that we were welcome at the base until the very last bit of daylight. Remember Volkel last year where quite a few aircraft came in after the spottersday was finished!

Regards, Paul
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Re: Belgian Airforce Open Days 12-14 September 2014 KB

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I agree with Fred for most part. However, that does not mean one may not have an opinion on how to improve things. Surely, the rather steep entrance fee raised high hopes of what to expect in terms of quality from a spotters' point of view; whether we expected too much or received too little, and whether we were to blame for that or the organisation is also a matter of one's own opinion, to which everyone is entitled in a democratic society :wink: . Truth is, a lot of people had such fond memories of prior occasions that they failed to take into account that the world has changed quite a bit -again- after the last editions of KB, and not for the better. Further however, Freds' statement about the Joint Power Demo being clarified by the commentary does not hold up for everyone. A lot of people were near the treshold of runway 05. There was no audio or video feed there (all day), so most of the time when nothing was flying we had no clue as to what was going on over "on the far side" near the VIP-tent, except that we could hear shots and explosions in the background so we guessed our way around. The BAF did a decent job (thanks!) but could have done more to better manage expectations beforehand. Still, looking back, I had a good time among friends and planes, got most of the shots I wanted, but not as much as might have been... Oh well, that's life. :roll:
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Re: Belgian Airforce Open Days 12-14 September 2014 KB

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Anyone for the reg of the Bi-plane in the hangar with the three F-16's?

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Re: Belgian Airforce Open Days 12-14 September 2014 KB

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Sk7, being a Sopwith Camel. If my memory serves me right
it's from the AELR in Bruxelles.
Anyone for the Breitling team at Saturday ?

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Secondly, Saturday late afternoon after the Hip demo a light aerobatic (EA300/Su26 type) flew its demo.
Anyone for this one as well ?
At the static the large basket of a balloon could be seen. I took three pictures of the c/n plate,
but still wasn't able to figure out it's registration ! It read:
Ultramagic N180, c/n 180/185, registaration OO-BA? ?. I thought to read BAH, but this one doesn't exist.
Anybody around who was able to grab this one ?

regards,
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If there is anyone out there that failed to get a good photo of the F-16AM FA-104 in prototype colors (like me...): Just recieved an email from the Belgian Air Force that it already returned to it's normal grey colors..
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Buccaneer S.2B wrote:Secondly, Saturday late afternoon after the Hip demo a light aerobatic (EA300/Su26 type) flew its demo.
Anyone for this one as well ?
At the static the large basket of a balloon could be seen. I took three pictures of the c/n plate,
but still wasn't able to figure out it's registration ! It read:
Ultramagic N180, c/n 180/185, registaration OO-BA? ?. I thought to read BAH, but this one doesn't exist.
Anybody around who was able to grab this one ?

regards,
Remco
ea300 f-gxcm
su26 hb-mso
oo-bah cameron a315 hafb c/n4255
oo-baw ultramagic n180 nafb c/n180/105

anywone for the apache i read q-26 or q-28

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Re: Belgian Airforce Open Days 12-14 September 2014 KB

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F-GXCM is not an EA300, but a CAP 232 with c/n 14. If there was any red in the scheme, it was the Su26; if it was black and green with white arrows, it was the CAP you saw.

Apache was Q-26

The FA-104 was sort of shrink-wrapped in plastic foil so that was not difficult to peel off. Looking at it, you could see that it completely covered the aicraft, so that -apart from the cockpit- nothing could be opened with the foil all over...
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Re: Belgian Airforce Open Days 12-14 September 2014 KB

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Mark B. wrote:If there is anyone out there that failed to get a good photo of the F-16AM FA-104 in prototype colors (like me...): Just recieved an email from the Belgian Air Force that it already returned to it's normal grey colors..
This was the FA-104 during roll-out ceremonie a few days for the airshow weekend.

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Re: Belgian Airforce Open Days 12-14 September 2014 KB

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powermaccie wrote:
Mark B. wrote:If there is anyone out there that failed to get a good photo of the F-16AM FA-104 in prototype colors (like me...): Just recieved an email from the Belgian Air Force that it already returned to it's normal grey colors..
This was the FA-104 during roll-out ceremonie a few days for the airshow weekend.

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This is what i expected for a spotter day.... :respect:
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Re: Belgian Airforce Open Days 12-14 September 2014 KB

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vico wrote:
Buccaneer S.2B wrote:Secondly, Saturday late afternoon after the Hip demo a light aerobatic (EA300/Su26 type) flew its demo.
Anyone for this one as well ?
At the static the large basket of a balloon could be seen. I took three pictures of the c/n plate,
but still wasn't able to figure out it's registration ! It read:
Ultramagic N180, c/n 180/185, registaration OO-BA? ?. I thought to read BAH, but this one doesn't exist.
Anybody around who was able to grab this one ?

regards,
Remco
ea300 f-gxcm
su26 hb-mso
oo-bah cameron a315 hafb c/n4255
oo-baw ultramagic n180 nafb c/n180/105




anywone for the apache i read q-26 or q-28

regards
vico
Thanks for the missing ones ! Anyone for the Breitling team on Saturday ?

Regards,
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RNLAF 301sq Apache flying was Q-26, have to check my photos for the BJT.

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Has anyone the serials of the Frecce tricolori?

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Re: Belgian Airforce Open Days 12-14 September 2014 KB

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Hi all,

Anyone for the reason the dutch send an operational one and not the q-17 apache from the redskins?

Or has that one been de-stickered for maintainance?

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