1-2 july 2017 Meeting de l'air de la BA113 - Saint-Dizier

[frank kramer]

328 Dassault Rafale B French Air Force

Code ended with 'C'

Given the fact that the letters of the code are nowadays fixed exclusively to an aircraft and can't be changed over anymore (they are part of the military registration, so F-***C), it is safe to say that this makes the full code (which was indeed previously reported as such) 4-IC / F-**IC. Thanks for clearing that one up!

[cis]

I am still missing the badges of Rafales 108, 328 and 347
Anyone ??

[ETNG83]

I have found after the Show the Scrap area in the N/W of the Field with the follow JAGs.
A92/7-(PT)
A34/7-PC
(A)125/(7)-IP
A153
A5/7-PN
A107
+more
all serials injected in yellow most near the cockpit.
All () blocks not read by me

[Freeman Lowell]

I have found after the Show the Scrap area in the N/W of the Field with the follow JAGs.
cut
(A)125/(7)-IP
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all serials injected in yellow most near the cockpit.
All () blocks not read by me

This would be new information?
'7-IP' stored here has previously been quoted as 'A127'.
Freeman

[Arjan]

Codes can be double offcourse but since A125 crashed it will most likely be the A127.

[AndyMarden]

Nice to see that these Jaguars are still surviving after so many years.
Can you please give approximate co-ordinates for their location?

[r.e.hendriks]

Did anyone check the T-33 which was preserved along the main base road. It is marked as "16524/338-H", but this is a fake ID.
The real ID is still not known. I didn't know that, so didn't check the airframe.

Best regards Rob


PS. Thanks on the updates on the sqn mks.

[sschofield]

Did anyone check the T-33 which was preserved along the main base road. It is marked as "16524/338-H", but this is a fake ID.
The real ID is still not known. I didn't know that, so didn't check the airframe.

We had a look for any ID but couldn't find anything - The real "16524" is with CANOPEE at Chateaudun, which wears the fake serial "18658". Although I have a note that says the "real" 18658 was written off many years ago, is it possible that a tail-swap occurred at some point?

[TommyW]

Case: T-33, 338-H

If the code on the aircraft is correct, it can only be 338-HE, because in the scramble database there is no other entry for 338-H?.
This a/c was written off in Nov 1980 (Location unknown), but written off does not necessarily mean destroyed. So it could be well that one,
even with another tail, as supposed before.

Regards
Tommy

[sschofield]

Tommy,

I think the reference to "338-H" is misleading - Whilst that was what was written on the aircraft last weekend, that doesn't mean it's a legitimate code, in the same way that "real" and "fake" serials get plastered on aircraft. "338-HE" that you refer to was 35060, which WAS written off in 1980, then noted dumped at Toul in 1983, and then (most importantly!) reported as scrapped after that!

I'm 99% sure the airframe at St. Dizier is NOT 35060! (But would like to see proof either way!)

[Freeman Lowell]

Andy,
In July 2016, we noted 2 or 3 from those stored at 48.633998° 4.918710°.
Brian

[r.e.hendriks]

Did anyone check the T-33 which was preserved along the main base road. It is marked as "16524/338-H", but this is a fake ID.
The real ID is still not known. I didn't know that, so didn't check the airframe.

We had a look for any ID but couldn't find anything - The real "16524" is with CANOPEE at Chateaudun, which wears the fake serial "18658". Although I have a note that says the "real" 18658 was written off many years ago, is it possible that a tail-swap occurred at some point?

Looking at the pictures I took.... the tail section is a different color of bare metal. So a tail-swap is certainly one of the options.

[Sukhoi22]

Goodevening:

I missed the BCRE aircraft on the logs and have some questions:
BCRE aircraft:
MIRAGE F-1C (240) (33-LD/nose only) FAF
CAP-10B 101 (VT) FAF
MIRAGE 3R (33-AI/nose only) FAF
MIRAGE F-1C (33-BC/nose only) FAF
ALW-2 nose only FAF

In the hangar where you can photoshoot in a rafale:
RAFALE B 304 (4-EB) (hangar) SPA160 ETR 03.004 FAF
RAFALE B 343 (4-FJ) (hangar) ETR 03.004 FAF
RAFALE B 314 (4-HP) (hangar) ETR 03.004 FAF
RAFALE B 328 (4-IC) (hangar) EC.01.004 FAF

outside on static near tower
RAFALE B 351 (4-FR) N124 EC 02.004 FAF

where was the A122/7-ha parked?
which planes were below rainshed 40 rainshed 41?

TIA.

[sschofield]

BCRE aircraft:
MIRAGE F-1C (240) (33-LD/nose only) FAF
CAP-10B 101 (VT) FAF
MIRAGE 3R (33-AI/nose only) FAF
MIRAGE F-1C (33-BC/nose only) FAF
ALW-2 nose only FAF

Mirage 3R nose "33-AI" was 327
Mirage F.1C nose "33-LD" was 79 (not 240)
Mirage F.1C nose "33-BC" was 240
Allouette 2 cab was 2126

(Credit to Phil Adkin for most of these!)

Jaguar A A122/7-HA was noted at the Western end of the airfield as we drove out after the show, although we didn't note the specific location unfortunately.

[Freeman Lowell]

Stuart,
Wasn't A122 at the eastern end of the field? From the static ramp it could be seen past the CN235 and Cougar.
Freeman