Split off --- EHAM 21-05-2009 Phototopic

[StMaartenpiloot]

Ton maybe you should post one of your above average photos from today for a change instead of a comment in the wild

[topgun1984]

Eddy , nice above average pics too... and vuurwerk reeshof... keep practising .. long way to go...
and re posting my pics here.. why should I as I have my own site.... which everybody knows..

you should name yourself Simon Cowell... above average this and that... not everybody is gifted with a nice camera or with great photo editing skills...

The people here are making an effort to let us see what there was on that day, although some do not have that hi end quality, tough luck then...


Grtz

TG1984

[Derice]

I totally agree with topgun1984.
Not all images are top of the line, but that doesn't matter.
What matters is that people share the same hobby.

If commenting on pictures, please provide tips and tricks on how to improve in the future.
I for one welcome such comments on my pictures, and if comment on other people's pictures I'll provide tips and tricks that I know.

No one likes to hear that one of his/her own pictures is 'avarage' without a reason why someone might thinks so.

[tonjochems]

Giving comments and tips fine if you want to and have the time for it.... however.. it would be a daily "mission" here... Some screening would be appreciated on this forum...
If you glance through many of the pics on the forum , you will find a lot
of pics being ;
-out of focus
-blurry
-overexposed
-underexposed
-out of level
-overcropped
-over edited
-too much detail... some times I think people are taking pics of radomes iso aircraft....or undercarriages only iso aircraft...
I know it is a matter of taste ......

And more important , it would be nice if everybody sticks to the rules as published
Forum rules

This forum is for sharing your aviation related photo's with the rest of the community, not a chance to 'dump your memory card' (I think a lot of people take the pleasure of doing this ) . Although we will not screen beforehand, we reserve the right to delete any images, or link to images, which clearly are unsharp (many of those still on line) with common subjects (hey hurray do we finally get rid of all those common birds posted now??? Would be nice to see in the daily topic only the highlights of the day iso all those common sights...think no need need to give examples as everybody know where i am talking about!!!). For more information on how to upload you images, check this post.

SO looking strict to the published rules..... most of the posts are out of line!!!!
So would be nice if the moderator take some action!!!!

[Jan Stol]

Giving comments and tips fine if you want to and have the time for it.... however.. it would be a daily "mission" here... Some screening would be appreciated on this forum...
If you glance through many of the pics on the forum , you will find a lot
of pics being ;
-out of focus
-blurry
-overexposed
-underexposed
-out of level
-overcropped
-over edited
-too much detail... some times I think people are taking pics of radomes iso aircraft....or undercarriages only iso aircraft...

If I go through your list then Sjaak's pictures aren't suitable for this forum either, look at the white lines on the nose of the SkyEurope, that's no line, it's a stairs made of jaggies, try to use less sharpening to avoid it. With all due respect Sjaak, I like your pics, as I do from everyone else. The only pics in this topic matches all of the points made are from Eddy (IMHO). Sure there is room for improvement, Yorick @ your KLM 747 during take off. You could/should level the horizon, as the plane is not taking off from a mountain slope, but I'm not going to discuss every pic here. A leveled horizon makes your pic much more realistic and thus much nicer.

And,

I know it is a matter of taste ......

Jan

[vuurwerkreeshof]

Giving comments and tips fine if you want to and have the time for it.... however.. it would be a daily "mission" here... Some screening would be appreciated on this forum...
If you glance through many of the pics on the forum , you will find a lot
of pics being ;
-out of focus
-blurry
-overexposed
-underexposed
-out of level
-overcropped
-over edited
-too much detail... some times I think people are taking pics of radomes iso aircraft....or undercarriages only iso aircraft...
I know it is a matter of taste ......

And more important , it would be nice if everybody sticks to the rules as published
Forum rules

This forum is for sharing your aviation related photo's with the rest of the community, not a chance to 'dump your memory card' (I think a lot of people take the pleasure of doing this ) . Although we will not screen beforehand, we reserve the right to delete any images, or link to images, which clearly are unsharp (many of those still on line) with common subjects (hey hurray do we finally get rid of all those common birds posted now??? Would be nice to see in the daily topic only the highlights of the day iso all those common sights...think no need need to give examples as everybody know where i am talking about!!!). For more information on how to upload you images, check this post.

SO looking strict to the published rules..... most of the posts are out of line!!!!
So would be nice if the moderator take some action!!!!

If you mean that i dump my memory card then are you just an a%%#"&e I selected the best pics of the whole day. I thougt i had finally really good pictures
and im sorry for my bad english

[Hurricane]

-> doesn't this belongs in the Praethuys section???

Adios,

Hurricane

[Thijs]

Basic rules for all of you!

C6 Do not post complains about other postings or users on this Board, but send a private message to the Moderator of the forum.

You can also use the reclamation mark, right of each message.

C5 Please beware of the language you use; fulminating, swearing, personal insults, flaming and the like will NOT be allowed. Again, violation may result in you being banned from this Message Board without any warnings. This at the discretion of the Moderators and Administrators at these Boards.

But, if you post pictures here, you can get criticism either positive or negative. Let the negative criticism result in a better picture. Saying your picture is bad is as easy it is, saying your picture is bad because of the lack of sharpness or overexposure is of mean to someone. Even better is to provide a tip how to solve it.

About screening: it is done by the poster himself, or by yourself the user of this forum. We almost never do screening as it is our goal to provide a platform for people to show their pictures not to justice their pictures (like airliners.net)

Thijs

[DeeJay67]

well,well...I expected this kind of comment some day and now i feel sadness,
because this forum becomes a ( if it dipends on some people) place for only a elite group of people with expensive gear,
lots of time, experience and the oppertunity to get so close to the planes (witch normal or average people never may come)
that they may show there pictures here and others...well practice a lot and good luck, but no don't show them here.

There are a lot of aviation websites with screenings, I find it a charm that scramble had/have that not.
Learning from each other can be done by only looking at other people pictures, there is often no need for comments.
And by the by...you don't have to look at the pictures..

Remember...a spotter with cheap gear and/or less experience can be just so proud of his pictures than
somebody with expensive top gear and a lot experience ...and both want to show it too others...and it can be done here!!!
Don't take that away.

Regards

[Aircolours]

Hi all,

First of all: if you post your pictures here you are bound to get comments. I know I have, and that's no problem, so don't get upset. I just pick out the bits that I think matter.

The only way to improve your photography is to learn from the criticism, but in the end, you decide if you like it or not.

Comments about expensive equipement resulting in better pictures is complete nonsense. Read Ken Rockwell's "Your camera does not matter".

And yes, the endless shots of KLM 737's Cityhopper Fokkers and Transavia 737's is not really mindblowing. It sometimes makes you feel sad.

Brgds, Peter

[StMaartenpiloot]

So the rules are here and known so Ton, the person who expects everybody to know his site (a touch of arrogance because I do not know it), should have known these facts written above and not in a bad mood written his comments (as a regular visitor of this forum). So this discussion wasn't needed at all

I agree with DeeJay's comment.

[tonjochems]

So the rules are here and known so Ton, the person who expects everybody to know his site (a touch of arrogance because I do not know it), should have known these facts written above and not in a bad mood written his comments (as a regular visitor of this forum). So this discussion wasn't needed at all

I agree with DeeJay's comment.
So the rules are here and known so Ton, the person who expects everybody to know his site (a touch of arrogance because I do not know it), should have known these facts written above and not in a bad mood written his comments (as a regular visitor of this forum). So this discussion wasn't needed at all

I agree with DeeJay's comment.

The rules are here indeed.... , but nobody is adhering to it... endless pages full of common aircraft..... and frequently with quality below the set standards... It makes the photoforum less interesting..., what I want to see is the highlights.... as described in the rules..... And re not knowing my name and -or my site... well just use Google...
and this has nothing to do with arrogance... I also could have mentioned my site , but that is a violation against the rules set here... So read first the rules before you shoot pal!

[Andras]

Sad

To all negative people on this forum:

Please do not spoil my fun Scramble time with all this whinning about pictures that suck or whatever. You can do 2 things; 1. If you don't like it, take a hike.. 2. Try and explain what in your opinion is wrong with a picture, and probably people know how to correct it. Do they need to ? No.

And if you think that it takes too long than don't comment!, just keep on reading other stuff.. It´s easy..

To all others:

Keep on posting please

[marcel32us]

In this topic it is mentioned that one can expect criticism positive or negative when posting on this forum, but nothing is farther from the truth.

People give positive reactions without mentioning why all the time and no-one seems to care about it.

Sometimes a post is really too bad to look at, and when I try to let people know why I don't like that topic, I get nothing but comments about being so negative and the old "you don't have to look at it".

The latter is IMO no argument. You should post your pics in a forum because:
a) you want people to look at them and
b) you expect people to want to look at them

So a few seconds of thought before posting would be in order, just ask yourself: "Is anyone going to want to see this?"

IMO there's three possible reasons for posting a picture:
a) it has news value
b) it is a great picture
c) it sucks and I want people to tell me how to get it better.

In all cases, post one or two instead of 40, it will serve it's purpose even better when there's just a few.

The comment about expensive gear is just an excuse for lack of skill. Not that I'm a great photographer, not at all in fact, but with my compact camera before my EOS350d I had a few really sharp pics each day I went spotting, and those were the ones to post. What is true is that I have cranked up my percentage of sharp pics by buying an EOS350d and a Canon EF 90-300 and I'm very much hoping to crank it up once more with my new (2nd hand) 70-200 2.8L. It only means that with expensive gear you'll be able to make a higher percentage of sharp pics.
For an example of a pretty nice pic (at leat that's what I think) with a cheap camera: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Antonov-An-2R/0778772/M/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; taken with an Olympus C720.

[Sjaak]

Good comment to which I fully agree!