Need help identifying aircraft at Savigny les Beaune

[Polleke_NL]

Went to Savigny Les Beaune last week and have some difficulties identifying a small number of aircraft in their collection. Can anyone help me with these;

F-100F (?) lying at the storage/dump up the hill;





Danish F-84G (?) also at the storage/dump up the hill;





Belgium F-84F, also at the storage/dump up the hill, showing what seem to be burning damage at the bottom of the fuselage?;



F-100F, painted in Thunderbirds "Nine" markings, first one in the mid field;



and finally (for now at least), this cockpit section in primer of a Super Mystere;



The help I received so far still left room for doubts on these so I hope someone else is able to help me out...

thanks in advance !

[stipjes]

Went to Savigny Les Beaune last week and have some difficulties identifying a small number of aircraft in their collection. Can anyone help me with these;

F-100F (?) lying at the storage/dump up the hill;
Danish F-84G (?) also at the storage/dump up the hill;
Belgium F-84F, also at the storage/dump up the hill, showing what seem to be burning damage at the bottom of the fuselage?;
F-100F, painted in Thunderbirds "Nine" markings, first one in the mid field;
and finally (for now at least), this cockpit section in primer of a Super Mystere;
The help I received so far still left room for doubts on these so I hope someone else is able to help me out...

thanks in advance !

F-100F = 46017
F-84 I did not identify
F-84F = FU-21 (the stick which supported it broke it seems)
F-100F = ?
Mystere was complete last year (but dismanteld)

[Polleke_NL]

F-100F = 46017
F-84 I did not identify
F-84F = FU-21 (the stick which supported it broke it seems)
F-100F = ?
Mystere was complete last year (but dismanteld)

De eerste F-100F (46017), is dat die op de dump, of die in Thunderbirds kleuren?
En enig idee welke die Mystere was/is?

[Wrecks]

The stored F-100 should be 64017
The F-100 in Thunderbirds c/s in Danish GT-949
The primar nose section of de SMB2 should be from s/n 50
It not a stored Danish F-84 but Belgium, the Danish tail in front of
it is from T-33A DT-905.
Did you see any Mystere 4A's in the storage. If so which ones ?

Regards,

Otger

[stipjes]

The stored F-100 should be 64017
The F-100 in Thunderbirds c/s in Danish GT-949
The primar nose section of de SMB2 should be from s/n 50
It not a stored Danish F-84 but Belgium, the Danish tail in front of
it is from T-33A DT-905.
Did you see any Mystere 4A's in the storage. If so which ones ?

Regards,

Otger

Thanks for the GT-949.
The 46017 should indeed be 64017
But I think SMB s/n 50 is not the nose because the camoflaged 50/12-ZE was lying next to it in may 2008 (only read the code)
In this month I only had one thunderjet in store, the same one. The underside of the leaning wings are a bit blue.

I do have 2 questions on preserved a/c;
which mystere is the "285" and which Etendard is the "60"

[Polleke_NL]

The stored F-100 should be 64017
The F-100 in Thunderbirds c/s in Danish GT-949
The primar nose section of de SMB2 should be from s/n 50
It not a stored Danish F-84 but Belgium, the Danish tail in front of
it is from T-33A DT-905.
Did you see any Mystere 4A's in the storage. If so which ones ?

Regards,

Otger

Thanks for the GT-949.
The 46017 should indeed be 64017
But I think SMB s/n 50 is not the nose because the camoflaged 50/12-ZE was lying next to it in may 2008 (only read the code)
In this month I only had one thunderjet in store, the same one. The underside of the leaning wings are a bit blue.

I do have 2 questions on preserved a/c;
which mystere is the "285" and which Etendard is the "60"

50 20-ZE still lies there in camo, with wings agains it, so the nose cannot be her......

as for Etendard 60, she really is 60 although she has a replaced tail, original tail is attached to a fence on the field, where the number 60 is partially removed, but tails do change sometimes.....
Talking about tails..., also saw a tail with number 456 on it , but this one appears to be known, but also a F-100 tail, serial ending 39, anyone a clue which one this was/is?

[Wrecks]

The Etendard 60 is indeed the real 60.
The Etendard 60 in New York on the USS Intrepid is fake and is reported as s/n 21.

Mystere 4A 285 is also fake. Real 285 went to Lakenheath many years ago and was localy scrapped.
It could help if I know which one's you saw at the storage area. There should still be two.

For the SMB2 not many options remain. It was said the be an a/c from storage.
An other candidate could be 118.

The tail marked 39 is from F-100D 52739

Regards,

Otger

[stipjes]

The Etendard 60 is indeed the real 60.
The Etendard 60 in New York on the USS Intrepid is fake and is reported as s/n 21.

Mystere 4A 285 is also fake. Real 285 went to Lakenheath many years ago and was localy scrapped.
It could help if I know which one's you saw at the storage area. There should still be two.

For the SMB2 not many options remain. It was said the be an a/c from storage.
An other candidate could be 118.

The tail marked 39 is from F-100D 52739

Regards,

Otger

the "285" is the Mystere in PdF c/s on display

[Polleke_NL]

here the list of the stored aircraft at Savigny as we noted them last Friday;

FR 64017 F-100F - stored/dismantled

BE BR-19 Mirage 5BR - tail only

BE FU-81 F-84F - stored/dismantled

BE FU-21 F-84F - stored/dismantled

BE FU-97 F-84F - stored/dismantled

BE FU-116 F-84F - stored/dismantled

FR 35 Mirage 3C - stored/dismantled

FR 39 Mystere 4A - stored/dismantled

FR 50 Super Mystere B2 - stored/dismantled

FR 91 Super Mystere B2 - nose only, primer, no markings

FR 118 Super Mystere B2 - stored/dismantled

FR 330 Mirage 3R - stored/dismantled

FR 402 Mirage 3E - stored/dismantled

BE ??-?? F-84G - stored/dismantled

DK DT-905 T-33A - tail only

Anyone for the Belgium F-84G or the real ID of Mystere 4A "285" ?

[Arjan]

In june I did note the tail of the DT905 on the slope near the Mystere and the Mystere nose. It was next to an unmarked T-33 hull. But did not see the hull this time!

[stipjes]

In june I did note the tail of the DT905 on the slope near the Mystere and the Mystere nose. It was next to an unmarked T-33 hull. But did not see the hull this time!

do you know which T-33 fuselage it was? I saw it last year and it had the same colour bare metal as the Mystere 91.

[Arjan]

Yes indeed. Also it isn't baremetal, just a base paint. But unfortunetaly I couldn't find a serial on the hull and through the canopy nothing could be seen. I assumed it was the fuselage of the DT905. But not really sure. The hull also had a part of a tail section attached.

Link below shows pictures of the dump and those aircraft on the slope in june. Note that there was also a complete Mystere in base paint then.
http://www.scramble.nl/forum/viewtopic. ... ny#p343989" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Hans van Herk]

Hello,
DT-905 at Savigny is only the tailsection.
The fuselage is preserved at the museum at Karup AB. The tailsection of DT-492 is attached to the fuselage.
The original tailsection of DT-905 was damaged in 1973 due to a fire. The tailsection of DT-102 was attached by then and swapped again for DT-492 somewhere between 1973 and 1977.

I have no indication where the original tailsection of DT-905 has been located for the past 36 years, but it has emerged at Savigny by now.

Regards,
Hans van Herk
Dutch Aviation Society / Scramble
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Military Editor - Scandinavia and Asia

[Wrecks]

here the list of the stored aircraft at Savigny as we noted them last Friday;
BE FU-81 F-84F - stored/dismantled
FR 91 Super Mystere B2 - nose only, primer, no markings

Anyone for the Belgium F-84G or the real ID of Mystere 4A "285" ?

With FU-81 I presume you mean the long term inmate FU-31 (FU-81 crashed 1960)
Did you have had a positive id on the SMB2 91 or is this from deduction ?

The two missing Mystere 4A's from the storage area are 100/8-NP (l/n Jun02) and
116/8-NL/8-MI (l/n May05). Mystere "285" was f/n Jun03. One might conclude that
the "285" is the real s/n 100. 100% sure only when 100 and 116 turn-up somewhere.

Regards,

Otger

[Wrecks]

In june I did note the tail of the DT905 on the slope near the Mystere and the Mystere nose. It was next to an unmarked T-33 hull. But did not see the hull this time!

do you know which T-33 fuselage it was? I saw it last year and it had the same colour bare metal as the Mystere 91.

The T-33 is confirmed as T-33AN 21127.

Regards,

Otger