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Re: Marrakesh Air Expo 2010 log

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Gents,
I'm a bit confused about why everyone seems to be in a state of shock about an aircraft being discovered as having a different c/n to that in "the books". It happens all the time in the "rarer" countries, and sometimes in the more common ones (I well remember the Italian 707s being changed after someone bothered to check one of them). It just proves that if you get a chance to check a c/n, then do so.
Oh, and by the way, CN-AZH is c/n 1687, not as in "the books".
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AndyMarden wrote:Gents,
I'm a bit confused about why everyone seems to be in a state of shock about an aircraft being discovered as having a different c/n to that in "the books". It happens all the time in the "rarer" countries, and sometimes in the more common ones (I well remember the Italian 707s being changed after someone bothered to check one of them). It just proves that if you get a chance to check a c/n, then do so.
Oh, and by the way, CN-AZH is c/n 1687, not as in "the books".
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Hello Andy,

Thanks for the comment, I agree, nothing is 4 sure until its really checked. I also have to admit not checking c/n's to much on the regular events but to which c/n discussion in this topic are you reffering? Or was this comment for another forum :x
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Patrick,

Your unknown Alpha-Jet in the flypast on the 30th is 246, have photoproof.

Is there anyone who can help with the id's of the Preserved aircraft, Andy?

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Hi Andy,

Not "confused" that they dared to have it differently then we all-knowing spotters thought it was ;-), but just want to know for sure.

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The DJ wrote: Is there anyone who can help with the id's of the Preserved aircraft, Andy?

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Mark,
Sadly, apart from the C-119 (53-7862) and a MiG-17 (c/n 1407040 and therefore 01), no identities are known for the preserved stuff. The fact that all of them carry false schemes does not help.
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Thanks Andy.
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Re: Marrakesh Air Expo 2010 log

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Hi,

Below a hopefully complete overview. Any additions are welcome!

Please note that only construction numbers which were actually checked during the show are given below.

Static & flightline
[table 500][tr][tdw 20]CN-AJB/02[/tdw][tdw 25]AB205[/tdw][tdw 25]FRA[/tdw][td]4057[/td][/tr][tr][td]245[/td][td]Alpha Jet H[/td][td]FRA[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ABP/2[/td][td]CAP232[/td][td]Marche Verte[/td][td]28[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ABQ/6[/td][td]CAP232[/td][td]Marche Verte[/td][td]29[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ABR/5[/td][td]CAP232[/td][td]Marche Verte[/td][td]31[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ABS/4[/td][td]CAP232[/td][td]Marche Verte[/td][td]36[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ABT/3[/td][td]CAP232[/td][td]Marche Verte[/td][td]37[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ABU[/td][td]CAP232[/td][td]Marche Verte[/td][td]41[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ABV/1[/td][td]CAP232[/td][td]Marche Verte[/td][td]42[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ABW/7[/td][td]CAP232[/td][td]Marche Verte[/td][td]43[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ABX/8[/td][td]CAP232[/td][td]Marche Verte[/td][td]44[/td][/tr][tr][td]CNA-LH[/td][td]CH-47C[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]S008[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AME[/td][td]CN235M-100[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]AL05-1-C027[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AOM[/td][td]C-130H[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]4875[/td][/tr][tr][td]91924[/td][td]F-5E[/td][td]FRA[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]139[/td][td]Mirage F1CH[/td][td]FRA[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]150[/td][td]Mirage F1CH[/td][td]Inside tent, tail only[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ASE/31[/td][td]SA330L[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]1483[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ACF[/td][td]SA342L[/td][td]FRA,pod only[/td][td]1902[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ACX[/td][td]SA342L[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]1985[/td][/tr][tr][td]112/CN-AHB[/td][td]AS565MB[/td][td]Marine Royale[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AIN[/td][td]SA330L[/td][td]Gendarmerie[/td][td]1500[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AIY[/td][td]AS355F-1[/td][td]Gendarmerie[/td][td]5247[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AZR[/td][td]Trinidad GT[/td][td]Gendarmerie[/td][td]2171[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-BZA[/td][td]S2R-T660[/td][td]Gendarmerie[/td][td]T660-123DC[/td][/tr][tr][td]05/F-TGCJ[/td][td]Extra 330SC[/td][td]EVAA[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]MM62250/46-91[/td][td]C-27J[/td][td]46St[/td][td]137[/td][/tr][tr][td]08-8605/RS[/td][td]C-130J-30[/td][td]USAF[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]93-0533[/td][td]F-16CJ[/td][td]South Carolina ANG[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]93-0535[/td][td]F-16CJ[/td][td]South Carolina ANG[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]-[/td][td]SA341F[/td][td]Aerotec[/td][td]1105[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-HAD[/td][td]AS350B-2[/td][td]Helisud Maroc[/td][td]4416[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-HBC[/td][td]AS350B-3[/td][td]Helisud Maroc[/td][td]4693[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-HDS[/td][td]EC130B4[/td][td]Helisud Maroc[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-HSM[/td][td]R44 Bravo[/td][td]Helisud Maroc[/td][td]10178[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-TAD[/td][td]BeB300[/td][td]Helisud Maroc[/td][td]FL-638[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-TSA[/td][td]DA42[/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-TSR[/td][td]DA42[/td][td][/td][td]42.179[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-TYR[/td][td]Ce208B[/td][td]Helisud Maroc[/td][td]208B-1039[/td][/tr][tr][td]EC-ET6[/td][td]ELA-07[/td][td][/td][td]0606-100-0724[/td][/tr][tr][td]EC-KKC[/td][td]Ce680[/td][td]Soho Aviation[/td][td]680-0117[/td][/tr][tr][td]EC-KQG[/td][td]P2002JR[/td][td][/td][td]91[/td][/tr][tr][td]EC-KZC[/td][td]P2002JF[/td][td][/td][td]95[/td][/tr][tr][td]EC-XBD[/td][td]CH-640-4[/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]F-GDNN[/td][td]TB20[/td][td]DGAC[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]F-GOPM[/td][td]Falcon 20E-5[/td][td]Michelin Air Service[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]F-GVIA[/td][td]Hawker 850XP[/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]F-WWEY[/td][td]ATR72-600[/td][td]ATR[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]G-BZMG[/td][td]R44[/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]I-PJET[/td][td]P180[/td][td]Windjet[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]N3000B[/td][td]Rayth 3000[/td][td]Hawker[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]N30LX[/td][td]G-1159A/AMIL[/td][td]Lockheed Martin[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]N45LJ[/td][td]Learjet 45XR[/td][td]Learjet[/td][td]392[/td][/tr][tr][td]N465VL[/td][td]S-92A[/td][td]Conquistador H.S.[/td][td]920067[/td][/tr][tr][td]N510KZ[/td][td]Ce510[/td][td][/td][td]510-0251[/td][/tr][tr][td]N578CJ[/td][td]Ce525B[/td][td][/td][td]525B-0282[/td][/tr][tr][td]N666NF[/td][td]Hawker 750[/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]N769CC[/td][td]Cl605[/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]N850FA[/td][td]TBM850[/td][td][/td][td]471[/td][/tr][tr][td]OE-FMF[/td][td]DA42M-NG[/td][td][/td][td]42.MN002[/td][/tr][tr][td]SP-GEI[/td][td]AT-3-R100[/td][td]Aero Maroc Trading[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]T7-PEP[/td][td]P2006T[/td][td][/td][td]9[/td][/tr][tr][td]ZS-DTD[/td][td]Hawker 4000[/td][td][/td][td]RC-12[/td][/tr][/table]

Aeroclub
[table 500][tr][tdw 20]CN-ABG[/tdw][tdw 25]CAP10B[/tdw][tdw 25]FRA[/tdw][td]183[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ABH[/td][td]CAP10B[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]184[/td][/tr][tr][td]85[/td][td]T-6[/td][td]FRA, pres, wh c/s[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td][/td][td]T-6[/td][td]FRA, preserved[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-CDO[/td][td]TB20[/td][td][/td][td]852[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-TBZ[/td][td]CeFR152[/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-TDU[/td][td]PA28-200B[/td][td][/td][td]7135003[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-TMD[/td][td]CeFR172[/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-TMZ[/td][td]SR22G2[/td][td][/td][td]2096[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-URT[/td][td]Solar Wings Pegasus[/td][td][/td][td](ULV)[/td][/tr][tr][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][/table]

Maintenance hangar
[table 500][tr][tdw 20]56-529[/tdw][tdw 25]T-37B[/tdw][tdw 25]FRA[/tdw][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]56-586[/td][td]T-37B[/td][td]FRA[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]57-262[/td][td]T-37B[/td][td]FRA[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]57-304[/td][td]T-37B[/td][td]FRA[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]60-082[/td][td]T-37B[/td][td]FRA[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ATC/03[/td][td]T-34C-1[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]GM-4[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ATE/05[/td][td]T-34C-1[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]GM-6[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ATG/07[/td][td]T-34C-1[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]GM-8[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ATH/08[/td][td]T-34C-1[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]GM-9[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ATJ/10[/td][td]T-34C-1[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]GM-11[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ATK/11[/td][td]T-34C-1[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]GM-12[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AUA/110[/td][td]AS202/18[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]110[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AUB/111[/td][td]AS202/18[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]111[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AUC/114[/td][td]AS202/18[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]114[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AUD/115[/td][td]AS202/18[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]115[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AUE/116[/td][td]AS202/18[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]116[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AUH/119[/td][td]AS202/18[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]119[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AUI/121[/td][td]AS202/18[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]121[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AUJ/122[/td][td]AS202/18A1[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]122[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AUK/29[/td][td]AS202/18A2[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]SA-029[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AUL/128[/td][td]AS202/18A1[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]128[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AUM/165[/td][td]AS202/18[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]165[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AUN/174[/td][td]AS202/18A2[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]174[/td][/tr][/table]
56-529, CN-ATG/07 and CN-AUJ/122 were towed to the static on the 30th after requests by spotters!

Technical school hangar
[table 500][tr][tdw 20]24[/tdw][tdw 25]Mirage F1C[/tdw][tdw 25]AdlA, instructional[/tdw][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]69[/td][td]Mirage F1C[/td][td]AdlA, instructional[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]80[/td][td]Mirage F1C[/td][td]AdlA, instructional[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td][/td][td]Mirage F1C[/td][td]AdlA, instr, fuselage[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td][/td][td]CM170[/td][td]instructional[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]1378[/td][td]F-5A[/td][td]FRA, instructional[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td][/td][td]Alouette II[/td][td]instructional[/td][td][/td][/tr][/table]

Elsewhere
[table 500][tr][tdw 20]CNA-MB[/tdw][tdw 25]CN235M-100[/tdw][tdw 25]FRA[/tdw][td]AL05-2-C024 29/30[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AMD[/td][td]CN235M-100[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]26[/td][/tr][tr][td]CNA-MF[/td][td]CN235M-100[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]27/28,29[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AMJ[/td][td]Ce560XL[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]27[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ANJ[/td][td]BeB300C[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]28[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ANX[/td][td]Be300[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]27[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ARM/13[/td][td]SA330L[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]28[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-ARY/25[/td][td]SA330L[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]26/30[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-TWR[/td][td]BN-2T[/td][td]Gendarmerie[/td][td]29[/td][/tr][tr][td]CH-03[/td][td]C-130H[/td][td]BLu[/td][td]26[/td][/tr][tr][td]MM62029[/td][td]Falcon 50[/td][td]AMI[/td][td]30[/td][/tr][tr][td]58-0114[/td][td]KC-135R[/td][td]Utah ANG[/td][td]23/30[/td][/tr][tr][td]84-0085[/td][td]C-21A[/td][td]USAF[/td][td]27[/td][/tr][tr][td]84-0112[/td][td]C-21A[/td][td]USAF[/td][td]29[/td][/tr][tr][td]HZ-AFU[/td][td]G-IV[/td][td]Saudi Arabian SFS[/td][td]28[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-TBU[/td][td]DR400[/td][td][/td][td]30[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-TKN[/td][td]Falcon 10[/td][td]Alfa Air[/td][td]29/30[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-TKY[/td][td]Mooney[/td][td][/td][td]29/30[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-TML[/td][td]PA31-350[/td][td]Palm Air[/td][td]29/30[/td][/tr][tr][td]CS-DFG[/td][td]Falcon 2000EX[/td][td]NetJets[/td][td]29/30[/td][/tr][tr][td]D-CATE[/td][td]Ce680[/td][td]Jetline[/td][td]29/30[/td][/tr][tr][td]N468QS[/td][td]G450[/td][td]NetJets[/td][td]29/30[/td][/tr][tr][td]N560PL[/td][td]Ce560XL[/td][td]Flying Group[/td][td]29/30[/td][/tr][tr][td]N800AK[/td][td]B727-23(Q)[/td][td][/td][td]30[/td][/tr][tr][td]OE-GVX[/td][td]Learjet 40[/td][td]Vista Jet[/td][td]29[/td][/tr][tr][td]OO-KJD[/td][td]Learjet 45XR[/td][td]Capital A/c[/td][td]29[/td][/tr][tr][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]-[/td][td]MiG-15UTI[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]Preserved, light blue c/s. No registration carried[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AMH[/td][td]C-119G[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]Preserved, as "862"[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-HTS[/td][td]Alouette II AH2[/td][td]Helisud Maroc[/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td][/td][td]CM170[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]Preserved, on pole. Red c/s[/td][/tr][tr][td][/td][td]CM170[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]Preserved, on pole. White c/s[/td][/tr][tr][td][/td][td]CM170[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]Preserved, on pole. White c/s[/td][/tr][tr][td][/td][td]T-6[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]Preserved, on pole. Blue/yellow c/s[/td][/tr][tr][td]51-14702?[/td][td]T-6[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]Preserved, just west of CM170 platform.[/td][/tr][tr][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][/table]
CM170, stored on platform; 53, 54, 77, 89, 123, 157, 176, 215, 218, 226, 227, 230
Dump; 7x T-6, 1x AS202? One of the T-6's is supposed to be the 28.

Flying
[table 500][tr][tdw 20]228[/tdw][tdw 25]Alpha Jet H[/tdw][tdw 25]FRA[/tdw][td]26,30[/td][/tr][tr][td]238[/td][td]Alpha Jet H[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]26,29,30[/td][/tr][tr][td]241[/td][td]Alpha Jet H[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]26,27,29,30[/td][/tr][tr][td]246[/td][td]Alpha Jet H[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]29,30[/td][/tr][tr][td]248[/td][td]Alpha Jet H[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]26,27,29[/td][/tr][tr][td]91942[/td][td]F-5F[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]26,27,29,30[/td][/tr][tr][td]91943[/td][td]F-5F[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]26,27,29,30[/td][/tr][tr][td]CNA-OC[/td][td]C-130H[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]26,27,29,20[/td][/tr][tr][td]CNA-OG[/td][td]C-130H[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]27,29,30[/td][/tr][tr][td]CN-AOP[/td][td]C-130H[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]26[/td][/tr][tr][td]CNA-OS[/td][td]KC-130H[/td][td]FRA[/td][td]26,27,29,30[/td][/tr][/table]

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Re: Marrakesh Air Expo 2010 log

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Interestingly, as pointed out to me on another forum, CM.170 226 is also given as preserved Le Havre, and 230 as to the Danish civil register as OY-FGA. The Scrambe database also gives those destinations. The stored Fouga's here have been read off this year and two years ago however, so what is going on here??
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patrick dirksen wrote:Interestingly, as pointed out to me on another forum, CM.170 226 is also given as preserved Le Havre, and 230 as to the Danish civil register as OY-FGA. The Scrambe database also gives those destinations. The stored Fouga's here have been read off this year and two years ago however, so what is going on here??
Full c/n's are D226 and D230 (build by Union Süd), being ex Luftwaffe. Some 25 were exported from Germany to Morocco.

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To make the story complete, of those mentioned in my log, the following are ex Luftwaffe (so with c/n Dxxx); 123, 157, 176, 215, 218, 226, 227, 230.

53, 54, 77, 89 are ex Armée de l'Air

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Hello Hans,

Was the gendarmerie BN2T parked on static? I do not recall that. Was it grey with a red cheatline or something? I remember one like that on the flightline the 26th starting with CN-B but perhaps its the CN-TWR that I tried to remeber as BTW (monkeybridge) ;-).
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stipjes wrote:Was the gendarmerie BN2T parked on static?
Sorry, my mistake, was not on the static. I'll change it in the log.

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CN-ANJ beech 350 not 300C
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Re: Marrakesh Air Expo 2010 log

Post by Hans »

Hi rmaf,

In full it is a Beechcraft model B300C "King Air 350C" (or "Super King Air 350C"); B300C is the official designation, with "King Air 350" being the commercial/marketing name.

Main external difference between the Be300.. "King Air 300" and BeB300.. "King Air 350" variants is the winglets carried by the latter (although there have been conversions on original King Air 300's).

Regards,

Hans
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Re: Marrakesh Air Expo 2010 log

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