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DJdeRidder wrote:
KIER wrote:Denk dat het voornamelijk allemaal te maken heeft met het organiseren van tegenwoordig; Vroeger gewoon door de basis zelf, waar de piloten uiteraard goede contacten hadden met andere squadrons. En tegenwoordig door een speciaal bureau , waar ze net zo goed door kunnen gaan voor ambtenaren met vergelijkbare werkzaamheden als een lokaal gemeentehuis.
Als ik zie hoe het aantal squadron rotaties sindsdien gekelderd is (nul per jaar in heel Nederland?), aan hoeveel (of hoe weinig) buitenlandse oefeningen de KLu tegenwoordig nog deelneemt en hoe ze het op Leeuwarden dit jaar voor elkaar krijgen om een Frisian Flag (DE tegenhanger van Red Flag :lol:) te organiseren met als enige gasten een Noorse Falcon en 6 F-15s, vraag ik me af hoe het tegenwoordig nog zit met die 'goede' contacten op de bases zelf. De kans lijkt me klein dat we dan bijvoorbeeld de Vulcan of een Slowaakse L-39 hadden gehad. Misschien een Brogel F-16, Duitse Tornado of Mildenhall tanker.. Ook leuk!

Juist jij zou moeten weten hoe we op ons kantoor werken.
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Wil even zeggen ondanks alle kritiek dat ik in ieder geval wel een leuke dag heb gehad.
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jb5 wrote:
DJdeRidder wrote:
KIER wrote:Denk dat het voornamelijk allemaal te maken heeft met het organiseren van tegenwoordig; Vroeger gewoon door de basis zelf, waar de piloten uiteraard goede contacten hadden met andere squadrons. En tegenwoordig door een speciaal bureau , waar ze net zo goed door kunnen gaan voor ambtenaren met vergelijkbare werkzaamheden als een lokaal gemeentehuis.
Als ik zie hoe het aantal squadron rotaties sindsdien gekelderd is (nul per jaar in heel Nederland?), aan hoeveel (of hoe weinig) buitenlandse oefeningen de KLu tegenwoordig nog deelneemt en hoe ze het op Leeuwarden dit jaar voor elkaar krijgen om een Frisian Flag (DE tegenhanger van Red Flag :lol:) te organiseren met als enige gasten een Noorse Falcon en 6 F-15s, vraag ik me af hoe het tegenwoordig nog zit met die 'goede' contacten op de bases zelf. De kans lijkt me klein dat we dan bijvoorbeeld de Vulcan of een Slowaakse L-39 hadden gehad. Misschien een Brogel F-16, Duitse Tornado of Mildenhall tanker.. Ook leuk!

Juist jij zou moeten weten hoe we op ons kantoor werken.
Ja daarom zeg ik ook dat we zonder jullie geen Vulcan of L-39 (en alles wat er nog meer was) hadden gehad. Dan hadden we alleen wat bevriende squadrons van het organiserende veld met (waarschijnlijk voor ons spotters/fotografen) heel oninteressante vliegtuigen. Ik ben tevreden over de afgelopen luchtmachtdagen, zoals ik al eerder had vermeld.

Met sindsdien refereerde ik niet aan het moment dat jullie bureau het van de velden heeft overgenomen, maar gewoon aan 'de goede oude tijd' in het algemeen.
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Ik erger mij weer helemaal suf over die "negatieve" klanken over wat weer niet goed was op Volkel.... en over waarom er geen Noorse F-16 of USAF F-15 op static staat!!!
Opzouten jullie :fist: De Open Dagen zijn bedoeld vóór de Nederlandse burgers.... niet voor spotters! Daar hebben we de bekende Spottersdagen voor in o.a. België. Ga lekker ergens uithuilen. Ik vond de Open Dagen op Volkel prima, en heb samen met mijn zoon van 6 een geweldige dag gehad. Daar is het voor.

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Hallo,
Ik heb alle reacties met verbazing en intresse gelezen.
Het was voor mij alweer de 28ste KLu open dag waar ik geweest ben.
In de loop der jaren heb ik heel wat zien veranderen, in 86 bijv. waren we al blij met een delegatie uit Spanje deze kisten waren toen zelden tot nooit in deze regio te zien.
Wat ik hiermee wil zeggen is dat er bij elke open dag wel een hoogtepunt te noemen is voor zijn tijd.
Deze open dagen kan ik kort samenvatten: Hoge kwaliteit, lage kwantiteit!
Ik heb twee prima dagen gehad en een paar echt prachtige platen gemaakt dus mij hoor je niet zeuren :wink:
Keep up the good work en tot Gilze!!!

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Iwan Bogels wrote:
Guinness wrote:And refering to Mr. Bogels...... looking at your site you must have contacts all over the world..... pretty strange that we didn't see any of them at the Volkel Air Show :? :? :? :?
Hi Guiness,

You are starting to touch the problem here ! In the past it was the people with contacts who arranged the airshows. Now it's BAD who tries to arrange it all. Not so long ago I have tried to contact "Mr Texel Airshow" about the Luchtmachtdagen, but he lives in another world than I do. So no reply to my messages...... Are you getting what I'm aiming at ?
Guinness wrote:Please keep all comments nice as we know what efford the BAD took again to give you all a nice airshow.
If we all keep cheering them on, they are not going to take notice of the points that could have been arranged better. And I have read a lot of remarks about possible points of improvement. Comments serve a purpose, you know....

As they say in my job: Comments are just free advise !
@ Iwan, take my part of free advise...

You can approach people on alot of different ways... but from the looks of it like YOU refering to "Mr Texel Airshow" i can be very simple... Perhaps he doesn't like to be named like that for instance... this could give a good clue why he didn't contact you back... I think the BAD has more contacts that any of us... but if they use all the contacts in one weekend, the next airshow would be the same again AND then we are complaining again that we always have the same things... And as we don't have Airbases big enough to host every country it's just a matter of give and take...

@ The other complainers...

Try to see the bigger picture... Aslong as there will be airshows, there will be people there that never even saw an airshow (well it isn't fantasy actualy, i had the privilege to introduce my girlfriend to the airshow phenomenon and she REALY liked it!!! ;)) Alot of people never even saw a Vulcan or MIG-29 before or for instance the F-16 upclose... These people are what some spotters call 'dagjes mensen' (and i think it's a realy degrading maner to speak about them that way) i just call them: People that want to have a glimps in our Hobby. I have to admit that i actualy was a bit ticked off by some spotters, while i was standing up to make some pictures from the Vulcan take off... some Idiot placed a steplader infront of my so destroying my opportunity to photograph... I also have a stepladder sometimes, but I always do a quick look around before i put it down so that im not in the way of everyone...

We spotters are kind of spoiled right now in these ages like doing trips and such and see alot aircraft that some people have never heared from or seen or even have the chance to catch a ride with them... for F*** sake... isn't it already a wonderfull thing here in the Netherlands that there is a free Airshow that's available to everyone that wants to enjoy the Art of Flying???? Some countries don't even have these posibillities, or willing to do these things.

So next time before making stupid remarks like.. the intakes are all covered up or, why where the spares also lined up beside the show aircraft, you should remember these wise words a very important person in my life tought me when i was a youngster.. it's important to be thankfull for the good things that you've got, because the good things that you've got are just for many just a dream. so be really thankfull for the good things that you've got .
I know for instance a person who isn't able to go to airshows anymore because he's to ill to go to one... But is he complaining?? NO!!! he follows it from the pictures and is thankfull he can still see... It's time to return for us to our basics, because it all can be over for anyone of us in a second!!!!

SO ONCE AGAIN: I WOULD GIVE A BIG HURRAY FOR BAD (JB5, MR. DE BRUIN, and ALL THE OTHERS THAT WORKED ON THIS EDITION) and i realy hope next year will be as lovely or even better ;) as this time...

GRTZ,

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:exa: :agree: :worship: .

Thanks for pointing that out Topgun 1984.

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Mornin’,
Guinness wrote:Please keep all comments nice as we know what efford the BAD took again to give you all a nice airshow.
I do not agree here. It is a topic called ‘comments’, so why only post nice comments?
topgun1984 wrote:@ The other complainers...
I have browsed through all the posts after Iwan’s trigger (still trying to figure out what the real aim of that post is/was) and found 2 (TWO) people that say they are actually NOT satisfied at all.

So… this is all a non-issue in my opinion.

I have enjoyed myself once again, like I always do. The only thing that has bothered was the VIP-enclosure. Fenced off with black fences it looks like an area not open to the general public, only for the ‘happy few’. Why not put them elsewhere? Saves you a lot of hassle as well…

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First of all, I had a great time!

Secondly, I do agree with Iwan somewhat that despite the fact a lot of time and energy is put into organizing this great event (see point 1) this doesn't mean we can't bring up points of improvement.We can't do much about participation (although there was a time when the Valkenburg spottersgroup SVVS had a visitor of the year and managed to attract nice visitors to their base. Maybe we can do the same and use BAD's contacts to get the visitor?? Who knows!), but I guess lessons can be learned from the layout of the showgrounds and traffic management. This affects all "types" of visitors!
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@ stefan,

i ment the people that were debating that BAD didn't do a good job, there are more then 2 regarding that matter.. But anyway... i do hope you see something in my posting that realy makes some sence, because we are spoiled to the bone for having our own bureau aranging these aircraft...


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topgun1984 wrote:@ stefan,

i ment the people that were debating that BAD didn't do a good job, there are more then 2 regarding that matter.. But anyway...
I guess it depends on interpretation. I consider most posts as being not that negative, or accompanied with the common sense that not much more can be expected.

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nilsko wrote: but I guess lessons can be learned from the layout of the showgrounds and traffic management. This affects all "types" of visitors!
It's a well know issue that the infrastructure isn't good for an airshow at Volkel. like already stated the base itself is only reachable via two roads.. But this doesn't have anything to do with the BAD, you need to addres the logistical department on that one (and i don't know if they are somwhere at this forum) :). But sometimes people forget that :).
Stefan wrote:I guess it depends on interpretation.
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nilsko wrote:(although there was a time when the Valkenburg spottersgroup SVVS had a visitor of the year and managed to attract nice visitors to their base. Maybe we can do the same and use BAD's contacts to get the visitor?? Who knows!)
That is the very same reason that I mentioned a kind of exercise like COMAO in Kleine Brogel where a lot of airframes were present.
It may have been concieved as a funny remark, but actually I would love to see such thing: a win-win situation.

An attractive excersize for air- and groundcrew (maybe even cross-servicing)
A nice 'spotters' event in operational circumstances ( imagen the parallel runway in Volkel without the fences and partytents, a red-white tape shouild do the job for spotters...)
A fund raiser for charity (I know spotters are willing to spend their money for the good cause)

And all people with contacts may join in to get the optimum participation.
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imagen the parallel runway in Volkel without the fences and partytents, a red-white tape shouild do the job for spotters
Where did you get that idea? Usually not even fences stop spotters from wandering around :lol:

Maybe handcuffs and chains would be a good idea, then we don't need fences or other stuff that blocks the view...
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Heb me prima vermaakt, leuke nieuwe emblemen op de kop getikt en ook nog aardig wat gefotografeerd dankzij het goede weer op vrijdag.
Heb in mijn leven al zovele open dagen mee gemaakt dat ik me echt niet meer druk ga maken of sommige kisten wel of niet komen opdagen of soms niet goed zijn te fotograferen, als de grote lijnen maar positief zijn heb ik meestal wel een goeie dag.

Las in een van de vele posts dat men onze trouwe AB412 van Leeuwarden miste, vanwege 1 beschikbaar voor SAR en 2 voor onderhoud in Zweden.
Hier hoort een flinke kanttekening bij die in de 2e kamer misschien tot kamer vragen kan leiden :twisted:
Volgens insiders zijn de 2 AB412's in Zweden al een tijdje klaar maar worden de rekeningen door Den Haag niet betaald, waardoor de heli's door het betreffende Zweedse bedrijf vast gehouden worden.
Hierdoor zit een groot deel van de SAR bemanningen duimen te draaien met maar 1 heli beschikbaar, en moeten steeds Cougars, Lynxen en Lifeliners de SAR/medevac taken op zich nemen als die ene SAR heli het ook laat afweten.
Ze moeten in Den Haag ook maar eens uitrekenen wat dit allemaal extra kost, tegenover het niet betalen van de rekening aan de Zweden!!
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